[SML] Classes in college.

Matt mjedesigner at gmail.com
Fri Sep 12 02:07:54 UTC 2014


Recently my program chair asked me to develop a class that would be geared toward my undergrad  student workers. 

The student workers oversee the main theatre and scene shop on campus. We are responsible for covering events like music department concerts, presidential meetings, student organized events, dance concerts, theatre program productions (including set fabrication and painting) and the daily maintenance of the theatre.  As you can imagine we are SUPER BUSY all the time. 

The students are mainly engineer majors with some theatre, english, communication and biology majors.   

The program chair is hoping this class would be taught in the afternoon so that its available to them during our normal working hours. 

Has anyone else created or have an idea about what I could do for this class?  

I feel challenged that this might take a way from daily tasks unless I can figure out a way to incorporate the tasks into classroom activities. The other challenge is figuring out a way to make it appealing to non theatre folks so they will actually take the class.   

Thank you,
Matt Evans
University of Dayton
Technical Director, Faculty. 

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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 22:04:28 -0500
> From: Mick Alderson <alderson at uwosh.edu>
> To: Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: [SML] HTML message weirdness
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>> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 12:50:52 -0700
>> From: Jerry Durand <jdurand at interstellar.com>
>> To: stagecraft at theatrical.net
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> I'm not sure what you are doing, Jerry, but some of your messages seem to be HTML only and no text part, and comes through to digest with content completely scrubbed like the one above, and yet other messages from you (like the one below) come through in plain-text with no HTML part attached. I'm guessing different devices. I haven't notice it happening with anyone else (yet). There have been lots of HTML messages but they have been multi-part with readable text plus an HTML "attachment".
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>> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 18:21:53 -0700
>> From: Jerry Durand <jdurand at interstellar.com>
>> To: stagecraft at theatrical.net
>> Subject: Re: [SML] request from the Production Managers Forum.
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>>> On 09/10/2014 02:04 PM, Richard Niederberg via Stagecraft wrote:
>>> $8/hr. is less than minimum wage in CA.
>>> /s/ Richard
>> 
>> Unless you own your own small company, some days $8/hour would be
>> welcome.  Gone are the days I was turning down 3-digit hourly wages to
>> work on other projects.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
>> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
>> Skype:  jerrydurand
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> Mick Alderson
> TD, Fredric March Theatre
> UW Oshkosh
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> Yep - worked for me too!
> 
> Dave Tosti-Lane
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> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Brian Munroe via Stagecraft <
> stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
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>> Well how about that. Deleted that contact and now it shows up with the
>> sender in the from:  field. Thanks for that suggestion
>> 
>> Brian Munroe.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Sep 10, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Dave Vick via Stagecraft <
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>>> And we have a winner...
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>>> A big Arrigato Gozaimasu to John McAfee, who correctly identified my
>> culprit as having the Stagecraft List email address filed as a contact in
>> my iPhone's Contacts list. Apparently it took that addy as a
>> last-takes-precidence address for plugging into the FROM slot, on all
>> incoming messages.
>>> 
>>> Problem ID'ed; problem solved. Still torn between Mail.app and
>> Gmail.app.... Depends on the filters.
>>> 
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> Phil Hany wrote: 
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> I live in southern California. Unless they changed the rules and didn't tell me, $8 an hour is minimum wage in California. 
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> It's a recent change :-) 
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> http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_minimumwage.htm 
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> Effective January 1, 2008, the minimum wage in California is $8.00 per hour. It will increase to $9.00 per hour effective July 1, 2014, and to $10.00 per hour effective January 1, 2016. 
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> Mick Alderson wrote: 
>> ... Jerry ... some of your messages seem to be HTML only and no text
>> part, and comes through to digest with content completely scrubbed
> 
> Jerry Durand wrote:
>> Different devices and Thunderbird doesn't have sync yet like Firefox
>> has. Need to manually sync all my devices.
> 
> Any idea which devices/programs/apps are sending HTML without a text part? I'm wondering how common that might be.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Noah
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> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 22:26:44 -0700
> From: Jon Ares <jonares at arescreative.com>
> To: Noah Price <stagecraft-web at theprices.net>,    Stagecraft Mailing List
>    <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] request from the Production Managers Forum.
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> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Noah Price via Stagecraft
> <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>> It's a recent change :-)
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_minimumwage.htm
>> 
>> Effective January 1, 2008, the minimum wage in California is $8.00 per hour.
>> It will increase to $9.00 per hour effective July 1, 2014, and to $10.00 per
>> hour effective January 1, 2016.
> 
> Yeah, Oregon's minimum wage is $9.10/hr this year. And I'm trying to
> get my skilled crew folk at my facility a raise (they're still barely
> above minimum wage, but not by much) - but just getting blank stares
> from people who don't want to take on the challenge of the
> bean-counters.
> 
> -- 
> Jon Ares
> www.arescreative.com
> Follow my twits @jon_ares
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 23:08:25 -0700
> From: Jerry Durand <jdurand at interstellar.com>
> To: Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: [SML] Testing
> Message-ID: <54113C59.6080108 at interstellar.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> This message should be in both TEXT and HTML if I did it right.  If not,
> then I have no idea what it will be in.
> 
> -- 
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
> Skype:  jerrydurand 
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> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 23:14:44 -0700
> From: Jerry Durand <jdurand at interstellar.com>
> To: stagecraft at theatrical.net
> Subject: Re: [SML] Testing
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> That seemed to work.  One other test now...signing just to fully test
> the list.
> 
>> On 09/10/2014 11:08 PM, Jerry Durand via Stagecraft wrote:
>> This message should be in both TEXT and HTML if I did it right.  If not, then I have no idea what it
> will be in.
>> 
>> --
>> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
>> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
>> Skype:  jerrydurand
> 
> - -- 
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
> Skype:  jerrydurand
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 09:05:24 -0400
> From: "Scott C. Parker" <scparker at gmail.com>
> To: Jerry Durand <jdurand at interstellar.com>,    Stagecraft Mailing List
>    <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] Testing
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:14 AM, Jerry Durand via Stagecraft
> <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUET3HAAoJEMdEeSPJfRzN6+wIAILulu/v2rVFfU6ERlBF2eZk
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> snip
> Z70/XsyNmdEcjwyKbMUnlv4=
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> 
> 
> Which translates to "hey, it's me, Jerry."
> 
> -- 
> Scott C. Parker
> Lighting Designer USA829
> http://scpld.com/
> 718-757-6661
> 
> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 09:41:15 -0400
> From: Patrick McCreary <vze2gmht at verizon.net>
> To: Chip <chip.a.wood at gmail.com>,    Stagecraft Mailing List
>    <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] Creative box loading
> Message-ID: <5411A67B.7010505 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Back in the day, I was a fork lift operator for six months before 
> getting drafted and another six months after separation - the only one 
> in the plant. While I can't say I've done quite the same thing as in the 
> video, I can say that after some 2500 hours in the drivers seat, there 
> were a number of rather creative solutions to some of the problems we 
> ran into, and several of them would seem just as crazy to the average Joe.
> 
> Patrick
> 
>> On 9/10/2014 4:17 PM, Chip via Stagecraft wrote:
>> Seen this before.  Actually seems to be a very effective and efficient 
>> way of loading, esp if the forks are load rated.  Another way the 
>> Chinese ( Taiwan in this case) have figured out a better way to do it.
>> 
>> Chip 1
>> 
>>> On 9/10/2014 10:01 AM, Jerry Durand via Stagecraft wrote:
>>> NOT the recommended way of loading boxes.
>>> 
>>> http://www.chonday.com/Videos/movetaiwn2
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:23:24 -0400
> From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <jeff at jeffsalzberg.com>
> To: Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: [SML] OT: Printer Ink
> Message-ID: <5411B05C.30407 at jeffsalzberg.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> So...When the printer manufacturers warn that using third-party refills 
> might damage my printer, is there truth to that, or are they just BSing 
> so as to sell more ink (which is their real profit center).
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:31:39 -0400
> From: Michael Sauder <michael.sauder at gmail.com>
> To: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <jeff at jeffsalzberg.com>,    Stagecraft Mailing
>    List <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] OT: Printer Ink
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg via Stagecraft <
> stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
> 
>> So...When the printer manufacturers warn that using third-party refills
>> might damage my printer, is there truth to that, or are they just BSing so
>> as to sell more ink (which is their real profit center).
> 
> Some people swear by refills and claim to never have any trouble. I've seen
> enough leaky ink and toner cartridges that I generally stay away,
> especially for better quality printers.
> 
> -- 
> Michael Sauder
> Email: michael.sauder at gmail.com
> Web: www.shownet.io
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 15:45:02 +0100
> From: "Nigel Worsley" <niglew at googlemail.com>
> To: "Michael Sauder" <michael.sauder at gmail.com>,    "Stagecraft Mailing
>    List" <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] OT: Printer Ink
> Message-ID: <DB70F188F2B6403199EC57F55E19B7C1 at Vali>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>    reply-type=original
> 
>> When the printer manufacturers warn that using third-party refills might damage my printer, is there truth to that
> 
> Only in as much as if their clever sensors can detect it then the printer may lock out to punish you. As a lot of printers cost 
> little more than the ink cartridges that are supplied with them there isn't a lot to lose.
> 
>> or are they just BSing so as to sell more ink (which is their real profit center).
> 
> In most cases yes. Colour balance can sometimes be a bit off though, as not all inks are of the exact same colour and saturation.
> 
> I have just taken delivery of a new colour laser, with one set of the manufacturer's starter toner cartridges and two sets of full 
> capacity third party ones, and all for 25% less than one full set of genuine cartridges. We did the same thing at work two years 
> ago, 3,000 pages later it is still working flawlessly.
> 
> Nigel Worsley
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 15:45:53 +0100
> From: Dorian Kelly <illuminati500 at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Sauder <michael.sauder at gmail.com>,    Stagecraft Mailing List
>    <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] OT: Printer Ink
> Message-ID: <16B3CB1C-12F9-4F91-9A0C-25502FD34472 at googlemail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Ink coverage is greatly reduced  and ink spreading greater if you use refills and normal paper, making the cost per page higher than with genuine ink in my experience. I do use a lot of saturated colour mind you.
> Dk
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>> On 11 Sep 2014, at 15:31, Michael Sauder via Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg via Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>> So...When the printer manufacturers warn that using third-party refills might damage my printer, is there truth to that, or are they just BSing so as to sell more ink (which is their real profit center).
>> 
>> Some people swear by refills and claim to never have any trouble. I've seen enough leaky ink and toner cartridges that I generally stay away, especially for better quality printers. 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Michael Sauder
>> Email: michael.sauder at gmail.com
>> Web: www.shownet.io
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:03:39 -0700
> From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners at gmail.com>
> To: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <jeff at jeffsalzberg.com>,    Stagecraft Mailing
>    List <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] OT: Printer Ink
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> The Millennium Copyright Act makes it illegal to copy the chip, or
> bypass systems that make the printer reject 'non authentic'
> cartridges. So much for reverse engineering. Kind of reminds me of
> single-source (IBM) 80 col punch cards.
> /s/ Richard
> _________
> 
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg via Stagecraft
> <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>> So...When the printer manufacturers warn that using third-party refills
>> might damage my printer, is there truth to that, or are they just BSing so
>> as to sell more ink (which is their real profit center).
>> 
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> For list information see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> Stagecraft mailing list
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> 
> 
> -- 
> /s/ Richard
> _________
> 
> 
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> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:48:23 -0700
> From: Jerry Durand <jdurand at interstellar.com>
> To: stagecraft at theatrical.net
> Subject: Re: [SML] OT: Printer Ink
> Message-ID: <5411C447.2010502 at interstellar.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> 
>> On 09/11/2014 07:23 AM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg via Stagecraft wrote:
>> So...When the printer manufacturers warn that using third-party
>> refills might damage my printer, is there truth to that, or are they
>> just BSing so as to sell more ink (which is their real profit center).
> 
> If your printer cartridge replaces the print head and it doesn't leak,
> there shouldn't be anything it can do to the printer.
> 
> Note that some printers have a second mode for when the don't recognize
> the cartridge as theirs or detect a refill.  Things like printing in
> lower resolution and "cleaning" the head more which just dumps ink into
> an absorptive pad buried in the printer.
> 
> -- 
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
> Skype:  jerrydurand 
> 
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 16:50:39 +0100
> From: Dorian Kelly <illuminati500 at gmail.com>
> To: Nigel Worsley <niglew at googlemail.com>,    Stagecraft Mailing List
>    <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] OT: Printer Ink
> Message-ID: <8A3078BF-F83D-420B-81CA-3181A38A6D53 at googlemail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Just to add to Nigel"s comment, in the uk one ink reseller actually gives away laser printers ( usually last year or older models) completely free in exchange for buying two sets of original toners, but then is happy to sell you refills thereafter at a good price. It works put cheap per page over a few thou pages 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 11 Sep 2014, at 15:45, Nigel Worsley via Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
> 
>>> When the printer manufacturers warn that using third-party refills might damage my printer, is there truth to that
>> 
>> Only in as much as if their clever sensors can detect it then the printer may lock out to punish you. As a lot of printers cost little more than the ink cartridges that are supplied with them there isn't a lot to lose.
>> 
>>> or are they just BSing so as to sell more ink (which is their real profit center).
>> 
>> In most cases yes. Colour balance can sometimes be a bit off though, as not all inks are of the exact same colour and saturation.
>> 
>> I have just taken delivery of a new colour laser, with one set of the manufacturer's starter toner cartridges and two sets of full capacity third party ones, and all for 25% less than one full set of genuine cartridges. We did the same thing at work two years ago, 3,000 pages later it is still working flawlessly.
>> 
>> Nigel Worsley
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:52:27 -0700
> From: Jerry Durand <jdurand at interstellar.com>
> To: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners at gmail.com>,    Stagecraft Mailing
>    List <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] OT: Printer Ink
> Message-ID: <5411C53B.3070802 at interstellar.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
>> On 09/11/2014 08:03 AM, Richard Niederberg via Stagecraft wrote:
>> The Millennium Copyright Act makes it illegal to copy the chip, or
>> bypass systems that make the printer reject 'non authentic'
>> cartridges. So much for reverse engineering. Kind of reminds me of
>> single-source (IBM) 80 col punch cards.
>> /s/ Richard
>> _________
> 
> That would also go for the chip the Cube 3D printers use to make sure
> you use their $pecial $uper filament.  However, you can buy a chip
> bypass for a few $ on the Interwebs.
> 
> -- 
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
> Skype:  jerrydurand 
> 
> 
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> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:58:58 -0400
> From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <jeff at jeffsalzberg.com>
> To: Jerry Durand <jdurand at interstellar.com>,    Stagecraft Mailing List
>    <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] OT: Printer Ink
> Message-ID: <5411C6C2.6070700 at jeffsalzberg.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Mine does not replace the print head.
> 
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<
> Jeffrey E. Salzberg, Lighting Designer
> 917/238-7430
> 
> Online Portfolio: http://www.jeffsalzberg.com
> Stage Lighting for Students: http://www.stagelightingprimer.com
> 
>> On 9/11/2014 11:48 AM, Jerry Durand via Stagecraft wrote:
>> If your printer cartridge replaces the print head
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:00:05 -0400
> From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <jeff at jeffsalzberg.com>
> To: Jerry Durand <jdurand at interstellar.com>,    Stagecraft Mailing List
>    <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] OT: Printer Ink
> Message-ID: <5411C705.3040601 at jeffsalzberg.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Mine does not replace the print head. Is that a problem?
> 
>> On 9/11/2014 11:48 AM, Jerry Durand via Stagecraft wrote:
>> If your printer cartridge replaces the print head
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:31:34 -0400
> From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy at rochester.rr.com>
> To: Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] OT: Printer Ink
> Message-ID: <99B984C5-FB9E-4382-A9B2-906B7214820B at rochester.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> Jeffrey E. Salzberg via Stagecraft  wrote:
> 
>> Mine does not replace the print head. Is that a problem?
>> 
>>> On 9/11/2014 11:48 AM, Jerry Durand via Stagecraft wrote:
>>> If your printer cartridge replaces the print head
> 
>    Printer manufacturers claim that a third party ink (something that doesn?t go through their QC and who?s formulation is unknown) MAY clog or damage their print head. Of course it may not, but if it does they have a reason to void the warrantee on the print head. If it?s an inexpensive / cheap printer, it might be worth the risk - but that?s your decision of course. 
> 
> Bruce
> -----
> Bruce Purdy
> Central New York Magic Theatre Co.
> http://cnymagic.com
> 
> 
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> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 19:03:02 +0100
> From: "e-mail frank.wood95" <frank.wood95 at ntlworld.com>
> To: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <jeff at jeffsalzberg.com>,    Stagecraft Mailing
>    List <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] OT: Printer Ink
> Message-ID:
>    <CAOAzDYqvycG0jrCAr6S_j7ohWYVfy8WuM4KA2566rgMKm6uL0A at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> We have two printers at home. My wife's is a wireless printer, with a
> complicated control panel, and four separate cartridges. It does not
> replace the prnt head, and changing the cartridges is a surprisingly
> long and tedious operation, not to say expensive. It is noisy,and
> occasionally temperamental, to the extent that my wife sometimes
> e-mails me things to print for her!
> 
> Mine is a rather simpler USB printer, using only two cartridges, each
> of which contains a print head. It has three buttons on the control
> panel; Power on, scan and copy. The snag is that I cannot buy third
> party cartridges, but am stuck with ordering them on line from the
> manufacturer, at some cost.
> 
> We have a third printer at our house in France. I can buy replacement
> cartridges at a largish local supermarket.
> 
> All three produce good work. The one in France does the most work, as
> I print out the Times crossword every day.
> 
> On 11 September 2014 17:00, Jeffrey E. Salzberg via Stagecraft
> <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>> Mine does not replace the print head. Is that a problem?
>> 
>>> On 9/11/2014 11:48 AM, Jerry Durand via Stagecraft wrote:
>>> 
>>> If your printer cartridge replaces the print head
>> 
>> 
>> 
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