[SML] upgrading audio mixer

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Sun Apr 5 22:21:20 UTC 2015 

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On 5 April 2015 at 22:58, Joe Golden via Stagecraft
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> From: Ben Mays via Stagecraft
> Date:04/05/2015 12:10 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: [SML] upgrading audio mixer
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> I've also heard good things concerning the Beringher since Midas got
> involved, particularly with their preamps.
> I'd also take a look at the Soundcraft Expressions 1,2,3, depending upon
> your channel needs.  I've used quite a few of them since they came out and
> they are priced to be competitive.  I've never had an issue with them and
> the eq and effects are pretty good.
> Yours,
> Ben Mays
> TD UvaWise
> Sound Engineer ProArt
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> It would be interesting to know just how they 'break'. Do their
> internal interconnections fail? Do their power supplies fail? Do they
> suffer from the failure of op-amps or DACs or other complex
> components?
>
> To me, three years seems an astonishingly short lifespan. Properly
> designed gear should have at least a 20-year lifespan, failing from
> obsolescence rather than anything else. I know that I have a
> reputation for over-engineering designs and systems. This costs more
> at the time of their installation, but far less in maintenance and
> system downtime, in the long run. But the bean-counters will have
> their say.
>
> On 4 April 2015 at 19:28, Jason Salvatori via Stagecraft
> <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>> At That price range I'd second the recommendation for the Behringer
>> X32.  It's got the best features of a board in that range.  Anecdotal
>> evidence suggests they are lasting at least 3 years, and there is now
>> a "compact" version if there are space limitations.
>> I haven't used the Presonus desks yet, but I have had flavours of
>> their Firewire interfaces and had all 4 of them break within 2 years
>> of purchase.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Jeffrey Kanyuck via Stagecraft
>> <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>>> I would suggest you look at PreSonus, also. They are running through the
>>> end of April an offer for a free SL-AVB-MIX option card when you fill out a
>>> rebate card. The board might not offer everything you need all at once, but,
>>> what it does have might be worth it to you.
>>> Jeff Kanyuck
>>> Harford Community College
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft-bounces at theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
>>> Bill Nelson via Stagecraft
>>> Subject: [SML] Upgrading audio mixer
>>> Our local theatre is finally willing to spend a bit of money to get a
>>> decent audio mixer - the current one was designed for studio use, not in a
>>> theatre, and is a pain to use.
>>> The theatre has 10 wireless mikes and is unlikely to get any more.
>>> Sometimes we have a few musical instruments for musicals. We keep two CD
>>> players plugged in. Budget appears to be in the $2500 - $3000 range.
>>> I would like to drag the theatre into current gear if possible so am
>>> looking at relatively inexpensive digital boards, with all their
>>> configuration/patching flexibility. One advantage is the built in
>>> processing, since the theatre does not have any.
>>> I want a board where I can set it up and then novices can treat it as a
>>> basic analog board (basically push faders and leave most everything else
>>> alone).
>>> So far, the best match I have found is the Allen & Heath QU 24. It
>>> appears to be fairly easy to configure and I can get it for about $2900.
>>> Any pro/con comments?
>>> Bill
>>>
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> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:55:22 -0700
> From: Bryan Manternach <smashwolf at gmail.com>
> To: "e-mail frank.wood95" <frank.wood95 at ntlworld.com>,  Stagecraft
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> I cannot speak to the PreSonus quality, but Behringer bought Midas
> specifically to address quality issues, and it shows in the X32 line
> of products.  Also my experience with the post Midas Behringer has
> given me a renewed trust in the company.  Especially when you see
> all the changes they demonstrate that Midas engineering has brought
> to Behringer.    It's a different company now.
>
> On 4/4/15 3:03 PM, e-mail frank.wood95 via Stagecraft wrote:
>> It would be interesting to know just how they 'break'. Do their
>> internal interconnections fail? Do their power supplies fail? Do they
>> suffer from the failure of op-amps or DACs or other complex
>> components?
>>
>> To me, three years seems an astonishingly short lifespan. Properly
>> designed gear should have at least a 20-year lifespan, failing from
>> obsolescence rather than anything else. I know that I have a
>> reputation for over-engineering designs and systems. This costs more
>> at the time of their installation, but far less in maintenance and
>> system downtime, in the long run. But the bean-counters will have
>> their say.
>>
>> On 4 April 2015 at 19:28, Jason Salvatori via Stagecraft
>> <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>>> At That price range I'd second the recommendation for the Behringer
>>> X32.  It's got the best features of a board in that range.  Anecdotal
>>> evidence suggests they are lasting at least 3 years, and there is now
>>> a "compact" version if there are space limitations.
>>> I haven't used the Presonus desks yet, but I have had flavours of
>>> their Firewire interfaces and had all 4 of them break within 2 years
>>> of purchase.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Jeffrey Kanyuck via Stagecraft
>>> <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>>>> I would suggest you look at PreSonus, also. They are running through the
>>>> end of April an offer for a free SL-AVB-MIX option card when you fill out a
>>>> rebate card. The board might not offer everything you need all at once, but,
>>>> what it does have might be worth it to you.
>>>> Jeff Kanyuck
>>>> Harford Community College
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft-bounces at theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
>>>> Bill Nelson via Stagecraft
>>>> Subject: [SML] Upgrading audio mixer
>>>> Our local theatre is finally willing to spend a bit of money to get a
>>>> decent audio mixer - the current one was designed for studio use, not in a
>>>> theatre, and is a pain to use.
>>>> The theatre has 10 wireless mikes and is unlikely to get any more.
>>>> Sometimes we have a few musical instruments for musicals. We keep two CD
>>>> players plugged in. Budget appears to be in the $2500 - $3000 range.
>>>> I would like to drag the theatre into current gear if possible so am
>>>> looking at relatively inexpensive digital boards, with all their
>>>> configuration/patching flexibility. One advantage is the built in
>>>> processing, since the theatre does not have any.
>>>> I want a board where I can set it up and then novices can treat it as a
>>>> basic analog board (basically push faders and leave most everything else
>>>> alone).
>>>> So far, the best match I have found is the Allen & Heath QU 24. It
>>>> appears to be fairly easy to configure and I can get it for about $2900.
>>>> Any pro/con comments?
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>> For list information see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>>>> Stagecraft mailing list
>>>> Stagecraft at theatrical.net
>>>> http://theatrical.net/mailman/listinfo/stagecraft_theatrical.net
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> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 09:33:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: billn at peak.org
> To: "Bryan Manternach" <smashwolf at gmail.com>,   "Stagecraft Mailing
>         List" <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] Upgrading audio mixer
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> I have had bad experiences with Behringer. They may have improved
> drastically
> since buying Midas, but I am not willing to take the chance. That might
> change
> in another 5 years or so - but not for now.
>
> I have never used or seen a PreSonus in use. I am looking at their on-line
> information now. There is only one digital board that would fill my needs
> (StudioLive 24.4.2 AI) and, at first glance, does not seem to have any
> advantages over the A&H.
>
> Bill
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> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 12:44:45 -0400
> From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick at hglightingdesign.com>
> To: Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: [SML] enjoy
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> http://www.jimonlight.com/2015/04/04/stage-weights-dropped-on-things-for-fun/
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> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 13:18:27 -0400
> From: Dan Sheehan <dsheehan.sml at gmail.com>
> To: Herrick Goldman <Herrick at hglightingdesign.com>,     Stagecraft Mailing
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> Subject: Re: [SML] enjoy
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> I have busted up several pianos to get rid of them.
> This method is WAY easier than what I went through !
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> ...Dan Sheehan
> Fixer of things that break
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> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 18:38:25 +0000
> From: "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher at middlebury.edu>
> To: Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: [SML] (not) New welder, somewhat OT
> Message-ID: <D146F95D.1547F%jdougher at middlebury.edu>
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> What happens when a relay fails on the work welder, they send the wrong
> replacement relay, the project still needs to be finished and Craigslist
> pops up a working 160A MIG for $200?  You run out between the matinee and
> the evening show and end up with an Airco Dipstick 160 in the bed of your
> pickup, that's what.  Honestly, I'd have bought it for the name alone though
> the fashionable orange color is an added bonus (blue and red are soooo
> clich?d).  However, as it not only works as a MIG (based on using it in the
> PO's garage, and what I need right now) but was also at one point capable of
> AC/DC stick and TIG, with a 60% duty cycle, it might prove to be a good shop
> addition anyway.  The good: it's currently working well and I can get my
> project finished while I wait for the correct relay.  The price was right,
> especially considering I could probably get it back by selling the
> regulator, full roll of wire and scrapping the rest (it's HEAVY). The bad:
> though it has a nice replace!
> ment Tweco gun and the drive motor and roller are new thanks to the PO,
> parts are hard to come by based on a preliminary scour of Google and eBay.
> Thus the question:
>
> Anyone have a good supplier for parts and accessories for old machines like
> this?  I'm looking to add the stick welding electrode clamp first and maybe
> set it up for TIG in the future.  The insides will get a good cleaning in
> the meantime, once it finishes welding up the next set.
>
> - Jim Dougherty
> ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department
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> From: Dave Vick <dave.vick at gmail.com>
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> On Sunday, April 5, 2015, Dougherty, Jim via Stagecraft <
> stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
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>> Anyone have a good supplier for parts and accessories for old machines
>> like this?
>>
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> Anything on cyberweld.com?
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