[SML] Veterans Day
Michael Powers
mptecdir at gmail.com
Fri Nov 11 20:57:57 UTC 2016
To all my fellow vets on this day...
Welcome Home Brothers and Sisters.
To those who honor us, we thank you with all our hearts. It truly means a lot, especially to those of us who remember a time when returning service members were greeted with animosity rather than warmth.
And last, on May 30th, let us all remember and honor the Real Heroes, the ones who never made it home.
Michael Powers
USMC '65-'69
ETCP Rigger #820 (Ret'd)
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> 1. Re: MIDI (Stephen Litterst)
> 2. Re: MIDI (Steven Hood)
> 3. Re: Old Equipment (Richard Niederberg)
> 4. Re: Old Equipment (Chip Wood)
> 5. Re: Old Equipment (Richard Niederberg)
> 6. Re: QLAB and MIDI (Rob Graham)
> 7. Re: QLAB and MIDI (Steven Hood)
> 8. Re: Old Equipment (Kristi R-C)
> 9. Re: Tracking scenery on a budget (Kim Hartshorn)
> 10. To the veterans here- (Bill Conner)
> 11. Re: Tracking scenery on a budget (JIM VOGEL)
> 12. Re: Tracking scenery on a budget (Jon Ares)
> 13. Re: Old Equipment (Chip Wood)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:01:07 -0500
> From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft at gmail.com>
> To: Stagecraft Mailing List <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] MIDI
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>> On 11/10/16 12:52 PM, Steven Hood via Stagecraft wrote:
>> I'm feeling dumb. The console is set to MSC transmit channel 1, and QLab
>> is set to Device ID 2, listening to channel 1. We're using a basic USB
>> MIDI device.
>>
>> I have the cue numbers matching, and the cue is set to MIDI trigger.
>> MIDI override is set to input on.
>>
>> I've tried patching the two ports both ways.
>>
>> If I'm using MSC, do I even need to tell the cue to be triggered by MIDI?
>
> What's the console that's broadcasting the MSC?
>
> On my Ion (Eos software) it sends a CUE ## GO with every press of the Go
> button. Any cue in Qlab with the same cue number is executed.
>
> Steve L.
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> litterst at udel.edu Mitchell Hall
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:21:52 -0800
> From: Steven Hood <shood_td at yahoo.com>
> To: <slitterst at gmail.com>, Stagecraft Mailing List
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> Subject: Re: [SML] MIDI
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> We're using an ETC Element. What MIDI settings are you using in the shell
> and in the show settings?
>
>
> On November 10, 2016 12:16:09 PM Stephen Litterst via Stagecraft
> <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
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>>> On 11/10/16 12:52 PM, Steven Hood via Stagecraft wrote:
>>> I'm feeling dumb. The console is set to MSC transmit channel 1, and QLab
>>> is set to Device ID 2, listening to channel 1. We're using a basic USB
>>> MIDI device.
>>>
>>> I have the cue numbers matching, and the cue is set to MIDI trigger.
>>> MIDI override is set to input on.
>>>
>>> I've tried patching the two ports both ways.
>>>
>>> If I'm using MSC, do I even need to tell the cue to be triggered by MIDI?
>>
>> What's the console that's broadcasting the MSC?
>>
>> On my Ion (Eos software) it sends a CUE ## GO with every press of the Go
>> button. Any cue in Qlab with the same cue number is executed.
>>
>> Steve L.
>>
>> --
>> Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor
>> litterst at udel.edu Mitchell Hall
>> 302/831-0601 University of Delaware
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> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:06:40 -0800
> From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners at gmail.com>
> To: Stagecraft Mailing List <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] Old Equipment
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> Dear Joe,
> If there another affiliated institution, school or nonprofit theatre, dance
> company, etc that it can be gifted to on the undocumented personal promise
> (unenforceable) that they will return the favor in the not-to-distant
> future?
> /s/ Richard
> _________
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> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:09 AM, nathan best via Stagecraft <
> stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
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>> I'm not necessarily looking to sell them individually (the institution
>> would never condone the time it would take me to do this). I'm sorta
>> looking for a "here's this place that takes bulk old electronics".
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Dave Vick via Stagecraft <
>> stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, November 10, 2016, nathan best via Stagecraft <
>>> stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> What do people normally do with old AV gear?
>>>
>>>
>>> Craigslist?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> 517-749-3859
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> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:40:22 -0700
> From: Chip Wood <chip.a.wood at gmail.com>
> To: stagecraft at theatrical.net
> Subject: Re: [SML] Old Equipment
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> If you are a public institution there are laws that require several
> legal steps to insure that you are not selling items underpriced to your
> cousin. Every gov or 501(c)3 place I worked had a dept set-up to
> receive donations and get rid of used gear. Check your local admin.
>
> Chip 1
>
>> On 11/10/2016 12:26 PM, Jerry Durand via Stagecraft wrote:
>> eBay has a Sell-It-For-Me option, you might be able to use that.
>>
>>> On 11/10/2016 11:17 AM, gbierly via Stagecraft wrote:
>>>
>>> PA school code only allows sale through certain conditions. Auction being one of them. I used to ship items to AVFORSALE and they did inventory liquidation on Ebay but they have pulled all of their auctions and I have only gotten a machine when calling. Maybe looking at something like Gearsource and doing a lot sale.
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.
>> www.interstellar.com
>> tel: +1 408 356-3886
>> @DurandInterstel
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> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 16:31:46 -0800
> From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [SML] Old Equipment
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> Dear Chip,
> True, but if it is an affiliated donor/donee or buyer/seller relationship,
> there are fewer hoops to jump through. Example,Same-State Universities such
> as the 10 Universities of California with 5 Medical Centers and 3 National
> Laboratories, the 23 CA State Universities with 8 off-campus centers, or
> the 113 CA Community Colleges or Schools in the same School
> District,,Theatres in parks in the same city, or administered by the same
> County Parks Department, etc.
> /s/ Richard
> _________
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Chip Wood via Stagecraft <
> stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>
>> If you are a public institution there are laws that require several legal
>> steps to insure that you are not selling items underpriced to your cousin.
>> Every gov or 501(c)3 place I worked had a dept set-up to receive donations
>> and get rid of used gear. Check your local admin.
>>
>> Chip 1
>>
>>
>> On 11/10/2016 12:26 PM, Jerry Durand via Stagecraft wrote:
>>
>> eBay has a Sell-It-For-Me option, you might be able to use that.
>>
>> On 11/10/2016 11:17 AM, gbierly via Stagecraft wrote:
>>
>>
>> PA school code only allows sale through certain conditions. Auction being one of them. I used to ship items to AVFORSALE and they did inventory liquidation on Ebay but they have pulled all of their auctions and I have only gotten a machine when calling. Maybe looking at something like Gearsource and doing a lot sale.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.www.interstellar.com
>> tel: +1 408 356-3886
>> @DurandInterstel
>>
>>
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> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:50:19 -0600
> From: Rob Graham <photonguide at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [SML] QLAB and MIDI
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> I do this all the time with an Element. Unfortunately, I'm not near the board. I remember something wonky about the midi settings. Something about the ACN Midi and Midi settings being particular. I have it written down, but not at home. I can check my settings in the AM if you'd like.
>
> Robert Graham
> Photonguide at gmail.com
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> Sent from my mobile device. Please forgive spelling and grammatical errors that may be the result of an insane autocorrect choice, or my clumsy thumbs.
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>> On Nov 9, 2016, 11:33 PM -0600, Steven Hood via Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>, wrote:
>> For those of you using MSC with QLab... We've had a problem getting the
>> cues to execute when triggered by an ETC Element.
>> Set-up procedure?
>> FWIW, I'm coming in late in the process to help troubleshoot...
>> TIA,
>> Steven R Hood
>>
>>
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> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 20:43:02 -0800
> From: Steven Hood <shood_td at yahoo.com>
> To: Stagecraft Mailing List <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] QLAB and MIDI
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> After trying everyone's settings with 2 different MIDI devices and phone
> calls and emails to both ETC and Figure53, I think I ended up with driver
> issues being the problem, which is neither company's issue.
> ETC has a cool piece of github software called OSCRouter that worked very
> well letting me use OSC to trigger QLab through the existing lighting network.
> If anyone wants more detail, I'll be happy to share. But not tonight, I
> have sewing to do for another project.
> Steven R Hood
>
>
>
> On November 10, 2016 7:57:57 PM Rob Graham via Stagecraft
> <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
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>> I do this all the time with an Element. Unfortunately, I'm not near the
>> board. I remember something wonky about the midi settings. Something about
>> the ACN Midi and Midi settings being particular. I have it written down,
>> but not at home. I can check my settings in the AM if you'd like.
>>
>> Robert Graham
>> Photonguide at gmail.com
>>
>> Sent from my mobile device. Please forgive spelling and grammatical errors
>> that may be the result of an insane autocorrect choice, or my clumsy thumbs.
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016, 11:33 PM -0600, Steven Hood via Stagecraft
>> <stagecraft at theatrical.net>, wrote:
>>> For those of you using MSC with QLab... We've had a problem getting the
>>> cues to execute when triggered by an ETC Element.
>>> Set-up procedure?
>>> FWIW, I'm coming in late in the process to help troubleshoot...
>>> TIA,
>>> Steven R Hood
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 09:03:41 -0600
> From: Kristi R-C <misswisc at aol.com>
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> Subject: Re: [SML] Old Equipment
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> I can't sell it, but have permission to give it to another school or non-profit.
>
> Took us a year to get rid of a broken, non-repairable TV when I was at the university last year.
>
> Kristi R-C
>
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 8:51 AM, nathan best via Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>>
>> Over the years, with several AV system upgrades, we've ended up with a few closets of old components, all of which still function, but may just be upgraded or obsolete. Since noone has ever said "no thanks, I have sufficient storage space", we're looking to do a good cleaning this winter. What do people normally do with old AV gear? Thank you in advance.
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> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:32:28 -0500
> From: Kim Hartshorn <hartshwk at plattsburgh.edu>
> To: stagecraft at theatrical.net
> Subject: Re: [SML] Tracking scenery on a budget
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> We often use something that we call a 'flapjack' to push and pull castered
> units. We have used them succesfully on units up to about 6x12 with actors
> as riders. Use straight casters on the units, the straight casters will
> prevent movement perpindicular to the caster alignment, movement in the
> parallel direction is locked by the flapjack. The flapjack is simply a
> long push bar that is hinged in the middle and locked into the deck at the
> offstage storage position and connected to a convenient spot on the unit.
> The geometry of the hinged push bar does several things, acceleration is
> easilly controlled (when the jack is flat on the floor the unit barely
> moves until the hinge joint has risen about 2 feet off the floor, as the
> jack is raised to full height there is a smooth acceleration until the unit
> is offstage. This is also useful in the other direction as the unit
> decelerates and does not crash into anything.. For the most part these
> jacks are not noticable in use. There are some limitations, we have found
> that travel more than 24' (12' hinged jack) is problematic, weight can also
> be an issue (but 600 lbs of actors and scenery is certainly doable). For
> units that travel sporadically during a show it is not necessary to track
> the unit if care is taken aligning the straight casters, but we have also
> used the flapjacks to move tracked units.
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> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:00:13 -0600
> From: Bill Conner <billconnerastc at gmail.com>
> To: Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: [SML] To the veterans here-
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> I just want to take a moment and express my most sincere appreciation
> for your service to the citizens of this country and of the world.
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Bill Conner Fellow of the ASTC
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> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 18:55:51 +0000
> From: JIM VOGEL <james.vogel at wisc.edu>
> To: Stagecraft Mailing List <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] Tracking scenery on a budget
> Message-ID:
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> Kim,
> I?m having problems picturing the flapjack. (though perhaps I need to add some maple syrup)? ?
>
> Any chance you can provide a drawing somewhere?
> Thanks
> Jim
>
>
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft-bounces at theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Kim Hartshorn via Stagecraft
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 9:32 AM
> To: stagecraft at theatrical.net
> Cc: Kim Hartshorn <hartshwk at plattsburgh.edu>
> Subject: Re: [SML] Tracking scenery on a budget
>
> We often use something that we call a 'flapjack' to push and pull castered units. We have used them succesfully on units up to about 6x12 with actors as riders. Use straight casters on the units, the straight casters will prevent movement perpindicular to the caster alignment, movement in the parallel direction is locked by the flapjack. The flapjack is simply a long push bar that is hinged in the middle and locked into the deck at the offstage storage position and connected to a convenient spot on the unit. The geometry of the hinged push bar does several things, acceleration is easilly controlled (when the jack is flat on the floor the unit barely moves until the hinge joint has risen about 2 feet off the floor, as the jack is raised to full height there is a smooth acceleration until the unit is offstage. This is also useful in the other direction as the unit decelerates and does not crash into anything.. For the most part these jacks are not noticable in use. Ther!
> e are some limitations, we have found that travel more than 24' (12' hinged jack) is problematic, weight can also be an issue (but 600 lbs of actors and scenery is certainly doable). For units that travel sporadically during a show it is not necessary to track the unit if care is taken aligning the straight casters, but we have also used the flapjacks to move tracked units.
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> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 11:36:17 -0800
> From: Jon Ares <jonares at arescreative.com>
> To: Stagecraft Mailing List <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: [SML] Tracking scenery on a budget
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> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Kim Hartshorn via Stagecraft
> <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>> The flapjack is simply a long push bar that is hinged in the middle and
>> locked into the deck at the offstage storage position and connected to a
>> convenient spot on the unit.
>
> When your flap-jack is folding, is it rising off the deck, or are you
> doing something horizontal to the deck? (Do you have a giant "A"
> rising off the deck with au vista movements?)
>
> - Jon
>
>
> --
> Jon Ares
> www.arescreative.com
> http://backstagethreads.com
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:51:43 -0700
> From: Chip Wood <chip.a.wood at gmail.com>
> To: stagecraft at theatrical.net
> Subject: Re: [SML] Old Equipment
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> Surprised that you got rid of it at all -working ones are a $1 at
> Goodwill . Horrible glut on landfills too.
>
> Favorite thought experiment- using the front surface mirrors from big
> screen projection TV's in a rear projection setup for theater.
>
> Chip 1
>
>> On 11/11/2016 8:03 AM, Kristi R-C via Stagecraft wrote:
>> I can't sell it, but have permission to give it to another school or non-profit.
>>
>> Took us a year to get rid of a broken, non-repairable TV when I was at the university last year.
>>
>> Kristi R-C
>
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