[SML] Skinny screws
DeLand, Justin
justin.deland at yale.edu
Wed Mar 17 17:25:48 UTC 2021
Another trick I have used enough to mention is to, instead of drilling a pilot hole, start by driving the screw in reverse, then once it has started to create its own little divot, flip the direction of the screw gun and drive it home.
You will still split from time to time, but it might be worth a try if that is acceptable.
-Justin
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1. Re: Skinny screws? (Dan Sheehan)
2. Re: [External] Skinny screws? (Dave Vick)
3. Re: [External] Skinny screws? (Paul Guncheon)
4. Re: [External] Skinny screws? (Joe)
5. 1940s kitchen (Joe)
6. SF Bay Area housing (Jerry Durand)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 08:09:40 -0400
From: Dan Sheehan <dsheehan.sml at gmail.com>
To: Joe <jdunfee12 at yahoo.com>, Stagecraft Mailing List
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I nearly always drill clearance hole in top piece, sometimes pilot hole in
bottom piece.
Few seconds saves time in long run.
Stuff goes together cleaner, tighter, faster, straighter (and doesn't
split).
And comes apart faster and easier.
YMMV
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 9:00 PM Joe via Stagecraft <
stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
> Locally lumber has jumped in price, so we are looking at trying to use
> less lumber. We typically use 2x3 for most of what we build, not because
> we need the strength of a 2x3, but because it can take a lot of abuse and
> not split on us. Personally, I prefer to go with lighter weight builds if
> I can. It is just easier to handle. But, 2x2 is a little more prone to
> splitting, and 1x2 is very much more likely. I know drilling a pilot hole
> helps, but that takes an extra step.
>
> We typically use standard drywall screws. I see there are fine thread
> drywall screws, but when I look up the O.D. and Root diameters, they are
> the same as coarse thread drywall #6 screws.
>
> Today, I tried to use 1x2 as much as possible for a gas range set piece
> from the 40's. I was careful to drill pilot holes anytime I went into the
> 3/4" side of the 1x2. And I didn't have any problems.
>
> We have also shifted to using Hardboard instead of Luan. At $9.19 for a
> 4x8, it is a lot cheaper. But, I find it frustrating that it is only 48
> 3/4" wide. I am sure that is for a reason in some applications. But, I
> prefer a true 4'x8' sheet.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> -Joe
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 08:54:11 -0400
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Home Depot carries GRK trim screws.
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On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 7:58 AM Stephen Rees via Stagecraft <
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> They are a bit more spendy, but maybe something like a GRK Trim Screw
> would work for you. My lumber yard carries them but you might find them
> online as well. Try Googling GRK and see what you find.
> Steve
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>> Locally lumber has jumped in price, so we are looking at trying to use
>> less lumber. We typically use 2x3 for most of what we build, not because
>> we need the strength of a 2x3, but because it can take a lot of abuse and
>> not split on us. Personally, I prefer to go with lighter weight builds if
>> I can. It is just easier to handle. But, 2x2 is a little more prone to
>> splitting, and 1x2 is very much more likely. I know drilling a pilot hole
>> helps, but that takes an extra step.
>>
>> We typically use standard drywall screws. I see there are fine thread
>> drywall screws, but when I look up the O.D. and Root diameters, they are
>> the same as coarse thread drywall #6 screws.
>>
>> Today, I tried to use 1x2 as much as possible for a gas range set piece
>> from the 40's. I was careful to drill pilot holes anytime I went into the
>> 3/4" side of the 1x2. And I didn't have any problems.
>>
>> We have also shifted to using Hardboard instead of Luan. At $9.19 for a
>> 4x8, it is a lot cheaper. But, I find it frustrating that it is only 48
>> 3/4" wide. I am sure that is for a reason in some applications. But, I
>> prefer a true 4'x8' sheet.
>>
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>> -Joe
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:48:34 -0400
From: Paul Guncheon <pguncheon at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [SML] [External] Skinny screws?
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I have to be brief right now but there a couple of reasons why your wood is
splitting. One is the size of the screw... that's true. Also responsible is
the shape of the screw. Drywall and wood screws are cone shaped, creating a
wedge that forces the wood fibers apart the deeper it is inserted. Try
sheet metal screws, they're cylinders.
Coarse-thread screws ("grabbers" as I recall) meant for wood while the fine
thread ("streakers"). The streakers will not hold as well as the grabbers
in wood but can still split it.
I usually staple, finish nail, or brad thin coverings to wood... with or
without glue. The only times I can think of when I screwed 14 or 1/8" ply
to wood was when I didn't have access to pneumatic tools and it was too
risky to bang away at it with a hammer.
An old carpenter's trick when nailing to prevent splitting is to lay a
headed nail on its side to the edge of the "head" is across the grain at
the location you wish to install the nail or screw. Bang the nail head into
the wood as far as it will go. One hammer strike will do it. Remove the
sideways nail and install the nail or screw in the depression. It works
often enough for me to describe it here.
What are you building?
Laters,
Paul 1
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:59:40 +0000 (UTC)
From: Joe <jdunfee12 at yahoo.com>
To: Dave Vick via Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] [External] Skinny screws?
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I checked out the GRK trim screws.? However, the smallest diameter they offer is a #8, which is larger than the #6 gauge that drywall screws have in sizes up to 2 1/4" long.? I did find another brand, Pro-Twist, that went down to #6 gauge.? So, at least for our purposes, the traditional drywall screws are a better choice.
-Joe
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 7:58 AM Stephen Rees via Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
They are a bit more spendy, but maybe something like a GRK Trim Screw would work for you. My lumber yard carries them but you might find them online as well.? Try Googling GRK and see what you find.Steve
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 8:59 PM Joe via Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
Locally lumber has jumped in price, so we are looking at trying to use less lumber.? We typically use 2x3 for most of what we build, not because we need the strength of a 2x3, but because it can take a lot of abuse and not split on us.? Personally, I prefer to go with lighter weight builds if I can.? It is just easier to handle. But, 2x2 is a little more prone to splitting, and 1x2 is very much more likely.? I know drilling a pilot hole helps, but that takes an extra step.
We typically use standard drywall screws. I see there are fine thread drywall screws, but when I look up the O.D. and Root diameters, they are the same as coarse thread drywall #6 screws.
Today, I tried to use 1x2 as much as possible for a gas range set piece from the 40's.? I was careful to drill pilot holes anytime I went into the 3/4" side of the 1x2. And I didn't have any problems.
We have also? shifted to using Hardboard instead of Luan. At $9.19 for a 4x8, it is a lot cheaper. But, I find it frustrating that it is only 48 3/4" wide. I am sure that is for a reason in some applications. But, I prefer a true 4'x8' sheet.
Any other ideas?
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:21:58 +0000 (UTC)
From: Joe <jdunfee12 at yahoo.com>
To: Paul Guncheon via Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: [SML] 1940s kitchen
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From the Skiny Screws thread, Paul Guncheon via Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>What are you building?My question about screws was generic, so it is avariety of things.
Right now I am buliding for Diary of Anne Frank. The actors are on stage a lot of time, so they need busy work to do. The kitchen will be an active area.
The two items that are my own task, are a 1930's era gas cook stove and a sink.? For the stove base,? took an end table with cabriole legs, and removed the top.? I got a gas cook top from an auction for a few dollars, and am using the burner grill from that for the stove top.
The sink will look like a white enameled sink. These typically protrude above the counter top about 1/2".? I have a hutch base that is mising a door. So, will just cut a hole, and add some 1/2" ply scraps to form the sink, and with my routner apply 1/2" fillet around it.? The missing doors will be handled by using curtains (probably looking like flour sacks) in the openings.
-Joe
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:18:55 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand at durandinterstellar.com>
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Subject: [SML] SF Bay Area housing
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It's getting to time all our stuff FINALLY ships out to the new house/office/shop.? We have to be out of this house the first week of April, but it's looking like our visa business exemption to let us cross the border won't be done in time.
So... my wife and I will need a place to stay in the greater SF Bay Area (by greater, nearby states are acceptable).? It will be us and our suitcases, so a low cost room with double bed is all that's required.? We do not, by any means, need fancy, room service, etc.? We can even help out with stuff (stagecrafters don't mind work).
If you have or know of such a place, please contact me off-list.
We're looking forward to starting up our business again... "soon".
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Jerry Durand
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