<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><br><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">R.M. Wrote:</span><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">What about ship rigging w/ sand bags, belaying pins, etc? KISS!<br>/s/ Richard</span></div><div><br></div><div>Ship rigging i.e. hemp style, is the opposite of KISS. I grew up with hemp rigging and still love to run shows and watch shows using it IF there are skilled, experienced, trained stagehands using it. Anything else is dangerous and fool hardy. Electrics are the most likely to have an accident as they have to be severely out of balance at some point. The only way to avoid that would be to load/strike one unit at a time, haul the line out balance, bring it back in, repeat for every unit. </div><div><br></div><div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Michael Powers</span><div>USMC '65-'69<br><div>ETCP Rigger #820 (Ret'd)<br><div><br></div></div></div></div><div><br>On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:00 PM, <a href="mailto:stagecraft-request@theatrical.net">stagecraft-request@theatrical.net</a> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Send Stagecraft mailing list submissions to</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</span><br><span> <a href="http://theatrical.net/mailman/listinfo/stagecraft_theatrical.net">http://theatrical.net/mailman/listinfo/stagecraft_theatrical.net</a></span><br><span>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:stagecraft-request@theatrical.net">stagecraft-request@theatrical.net</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>You can reach the person managing the list at</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:stagecraft-owner@theatrical.net">stagecraft-owner@theatrical.net</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific</span><br><span>than "Re: Contents of Stagecraft digest..."</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>For list information see <<a href="http://stagecraft.theprices.net/">http://stagecraft.theprices.net/</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Today's Topics:</span><br><span></span><br><span> 1. Re: Scaffolding for FOH (Richard Niederberg)</span><br><span> 2. Re: Scaffolding for FOH (billconnerastc)</span><br><span> 3. Re: Scaffolding for FOH (SAMUEL JONES)</span><br><span> 4. Re: Scaffolding for FOH (Dave Vick)</span><br><span> 5. Re: Scaffolding for FOH (<a href="mailto:taco@peak.org">taco@peak.org</a>)</span><br><span> 6. Re: Scaffolding for FOH (Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center)</span><br><span> 7. Etc Element Help (Brock Keeler)</span><br><span> 8. Fire sound snapshots through Midi and Qlab (Brock Keeler)</span><br><span> 9. Re: Etc Element Help (Jeffrey E. Salzberg)</span><br><span> 10. Re: Etc Element Help (<a href="mailto:billn@peak.org">billn@peak.org</a>)</span><br><span> 11. Re: FOH hang and focus safety improvement needed (<a href="mailto:billn@peak.org">billn@peak.org</a>)</span><br><span> 12. Re: FOH hang and focus safety improvement needed (Bill Conner)</span><br><span> 13. Re: FOH hang and focus safety improvement needed</span><br><span> (Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center)</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>----------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 1</span><br><span>Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:08:42 -0800</span><br><span>From: Richard Niederberg <<a href="mailto:ladesigners@gmail.com">ladesigners@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>To: Stagecraft Mailing List <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [SML] Scaffolding for FOH</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:CAJSxm-L9_g7L5NOG4gkCFT+s-s=JRWzVnapbK7o8NA12GFJgMg@mail.gmail.com">CAJSxm-L9_g7L5NOG4gkCFT+s-s=JRWzVnapbK7o8NA12GFJgMg@mail.gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Dear Bill,</span><br><span>What about ship rigging w/ sand bags, belaying pins, etc? KISS!</span><br><span>/s/ Richard</span><br><span></span><br><span>On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Bill Nelson via Stagecraft <</span><br><span><a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Why can't a short pinrail, inaccessible to the audience, be used, to save</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>money and promote safety? Even a previously unused ropelock position on</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>your rail could be utilized.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>/s/ Richard</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Rail? This theatre doesn't have any fly space. Everything over the stage is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>dead-hung.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I suppose something could be installed over the audience seating, but then</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>crew would have to be taught how to counterweight battens properly.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Without having permanent stage crew, I do not consider counterweight</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>systems</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to be safe enough to use.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Bill</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>____________________________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>For list information see <<a href="http://stagecraft.theprices.net/">http://stagecraft.theprices.net/</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Stagecraft mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:Stagecraft@theatrical.net">Stagecraft@theatrical.net</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://theatrical.net/mailman/listinfo/stagecraft_theatrical.net">http://theatrical.net/mailman/listinfo/stagecraft_theatrical.net</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>/s/ Richard</span><br><span>_________</span><br><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://theatrical.net/pipermail/stagecraft_theatrical.net/attachments/20171121/5b950d3a/attachment-0001.html">http://theatrical.net/pipermail/stagecraft_theatrical.net/attachments/20171121/5b950d3a/attachment-0001.html</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 2</span><br><span>Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 19:39:35 -0600</span><br><span>From: billconnerastc <<a href="mailto:billconnerastc@gmail.com">billconnerastc@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>To: Stagecraft Mailing List <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [SML] Scaffolding for FOH</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5a14d557.c45b240a.ebc03.8bf8@mx.google.com">5a14d557.c45b240a.ebc03.8bf8@mx.google.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>I do not recommend rigging electrics on manual counterweight any longer if it can possibly be avoided. It can be done safely but too often is not. It seems the majority of crashes ive seen or heard of are electrics. Strip the electric, bent lock rail. This is 2017. We mostly all have powered sreering and abs brakes. We should expect motorized electrics as just as common.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Sent from my Galaxy Tab? S2</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Dear Bill,What about ship rigging w/ sand bags, belaying pins, etc? 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Right? Way more difficult to use. Training is worse. I haven?t looked since 2004, but rated equipment like rope clamps is difficult to find. Not KISS, but KSF (Kill Somebody Fast).</span><br><span></span><br><span>Sam</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Nov 21, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Richard Niederberg via Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear Bill,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>What about ship rigging w/ sand bags, belaying pins, etc? KISS!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>/s/ Richard</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Bill Nelson via Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a> <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Why can't a short pinrail, inaccessible to the audience, be used, to save</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>money and promote safety? Even a previously unused ropelock position on</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>your rail could be utilized.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>/s/ Richard</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Rail? This theatre doesn't have any fly space. Everything over the stage is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>dead-hung.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I suppose something could be installed over the audience seating, but then</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>crew would have to be taught how to counterweight battens properly.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Without having permanent stage crew, I do not consider counterweight systems</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to be safe enough to use.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Bill</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://theatrical.net/pipermail/stagecraft_theatrical.net/attachments/20171121/c33108a4/attachment-0001.html">http://theatrical.net/pipermail/stagecraft_theatrical.net/attachments/20171121/c33108a4/attachment-0001.html</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 4</span><br><span>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:32:06 +0000</span><br><span>From: Dave Vick <<a href="mailto:dave.vick@gmail.com">dave.vick@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>To: Stagecraft Mailing List <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [SML] Scaffolding for FOH</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:CAEy8B2kUCyugPnCQNoJ=mpWMUMnJyPyGwLg8AvAyOEDHNhNREQ@mail.gmail.com">CAEy8B2kUCyugPnCQNoJ=mpWMUMnJyPyGwLg8AvAyOEDHNhNREQ@mail.gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>What about ship rigging w/ sand bags,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>belaying pins, etc? KISS!</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Ohferfucksake...</span><br><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>Dave Vick</span><br><span>517-749-3859</span><br><span>Sent from my #%!^?? iPhone</span><br><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://theatrical.net/pipermail/stagecraft_theatrical.net/attachments/20171122/e0014bc5/attachment-0001.html">http://theatrical.net/pipermail/stagecraft_theatrical.net/attachments/20171122/e0014bc5/attachment-0001.html</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 5</span><br><span>Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 19:43:18 -0800 (PST)</span><br><span>From: <a href="mailto:taco@peak.org">taco@peak.org</a></span><br><span>To: Stagecraft Mailing List <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [SML] Scaffolding for FOH</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:2067362741.31211595.1511322198845.JavaMail.zimbra@peak.org">2067362741.31211595.1511322198845.JavaMail.zimbra@peak.org</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>In the aisles of the auditorium? I don't think so. </span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>What about ship rigging w/ sand bags, </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>belaying pins, etc? KISS! </span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://theatrical.net/pipermail/stagecraft_theatrical.net/attachments/20171121/a9386326/attachment-0001.html">http://theatrical.net/pipermail/stagecraft_theatrical.net/attachments/20171121/a9386326/attachment-0001.html</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 6</span><br><span>Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:08:07 -0800</span><br><span>From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center"</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:admin@mtangelperformingarts.com">admin@mtangelperformingarts.com</a>></span><br><span>To: Stagecraft Mailing List <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [SML] Scaffolding for FOH</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:a80a1d0b-29f9-719a-f69d-0924e0b57acd@mtangelperformingarts.com">a80a1d0b-29f9-719a-f69d-0924e0b57acd@mtangelperformingarts.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 11/21/2017 10:45 AM, Bill Nelson via Stagecraft wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>We use a "BilJax" rolling scaffold and IMHO it's worth it's weight in gold.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Assembles and disassembles relatively easily, the 6' length spans our</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>seat-row spacing nicely and can be adjusted somewhat to compensate for a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>raked floor.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>You can set the platform height almost anywhere and you can get</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>components to make the end supports any height in about 3' increments.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Checking their catalog you can get lengths of 6', 8' or 10' so</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>accommodating most seat spacing should be possible. If not, hiring a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>certified welder to re-jigger the braces shouldn't be too expensive</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>although any manufacturer's warranty would disappear.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>For OSHA you need outriggers if you go beyond 'platform height x' (which</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I do not remember offhand) and the outriggers can be attached and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>detached as needed for mobility.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm sure other manufacturers have similar products but we're happy with</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the BilJax.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Catalog data starts on page 12 at</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="http://www.biljax.com/clientuploads/Catalogs/Scaffold/Catalog_small.pdf">http://www.biljax.com/clientuploads/Catalogs/Scaffold/Catalog_small.pdf</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Just my opinion as a satisfied customer.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Carla</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thanks Carla.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>That looks better than others I have seen previously. My major concern is the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>weight.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The biggest problem that we may not be able to solve, and it applies to any</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>scaffolding/man-lift system, is "Where do we store it when not in use?". We</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>just do not have the vacant floor space. The only way we could generate enough</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>room would be to remove the couches in the Green Room - and I don't see that</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>being approved.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Bill</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>If storage space is an issue it breaks down into flat pieces and can be </span><br><span>stored leaning against or bungee'd to a wall.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Our 12 foot tall one stores in about 3 square feet of space.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The trade-off is that you then have to re-assemble it each time you use it.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Carla</span><br><span></span><br><span>A useful phrase for declining an unwanted advance: I'd love to but I'm </span><br><span>afraid that my girlfriend will go to my wife and say to her "Honey, your </span><br><span>husband is cheatin' on us."</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 7</span><br><span>Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:12:43 -0800</span><br><span>From: Brock Keeler <<a href="mailto:goaliemonkey00@gmail.com">goaliemonkey00@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>To: <a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a></span><br><span>Subject: [SML] Etc Element Help</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:7F67CCEF-9CEF-4B64-B698-8417239792D6@gmail.com">7F67CCEF-9CEF-4B64-B698-8417239792D6@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hi Guys,</span><br><span></span><br><span>My theatres console is and Etc element, and I recently updated the software to the latest version and once it finished downloading, I reloaded my show file and none of my lights appear to be functioning, the patching all seems to be correct and I can?t find anything wrong so i was wondering if any of you have had the same issue or a solution to my problem</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks!</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 8</span><br><span>Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:15:02 -0800</span><br><span>From: Brock Keeler <<a href="mailto:goaliemonkey00@gmail.com">goaliemonkey00@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>To: <a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a></span><br><span>Subject: [SML] Fire sound snapshots through Midi and Qlab</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:A87B7200-95FE-4C3B-A83C-559FD441257A@gmail.com">A87B7200-95FE-4C3B-A83C-559FD441257A@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hello,</span><br><span></span><br><span>I run all my shows through Qlab, and use a Midi to USB cable to control my lighting console via Midi Show control and Qlab. We are running a Digico SD11 sound console and I know there is a way to fire sound snapshots through lab via Midi but I have not been able to figure it out. If any of you have done this and could help me with some step by step instructions that would be great</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 9</span><br><span>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 02:02:49 -0800 (PST)</span><br><span>From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <<a href="mailto:jeff@jeffsalzberg.com">jeff@jeffsalzberg.com</a>></span><br><span>To: stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [SML] Etc Element Help</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:751773204.224232.1511344969036.JavaMail.zimbra@jeffsalzberg.com">751773204.224232.1511344969036.JavaMail.zimbra@jeffsalzberg.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Call tech support at 800-688-4116. If it's after hours, leave a message; they'll call you back within 15 minutes. </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Hi Guys, </span><br><span></span><br><span>My theatres console is and Etc element, and I recently updated the software to the latest version and once it finished downloading, I reloaded my show file and none of my lights appear to be functioning, the patching all seems to be correct and I can?t find anything wrong so i was wondering if any of you have had the same issue or a solution to my problem </span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks! </span><br><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://theatrical.net/pipermail/stagecraft_theatrical.net/attachments/20171122/893b1b61/attachment-0001.html">http://theatrical.net/pipermail/stagecraft_theatrical.net/attachments/20171122/893b1b61/attachment-0001.html</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 10</span><br><span>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 04:21:37 -0800 (PST)</span><br><span>From: <a href="mailto:billn@peak.org">billn@peak.org</a></span><br><span>To: "Stagecraft Mailing List" <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [SML] Etc Element Help</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:d84d68554cd0d5f6a18c8949ba14ea27.squirrel@webmail.peak.org">d84d68554cd0d5f6a18c8949ba14ea27.squirrel@webmail.peak.org</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>My theatres console is and Etc element, and I recently updated the software to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the latest version and once it finished downloading, I reloaded my show file</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and none of my lights appear to be functioning, the patching all seems to be</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>correct and I can???t find anything wrong so i was wondering if any of you</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>have had the same issue or a solution to my problem</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Do any of your lights have a DMX signal present indicator? If so, does the</span><br><span>indicator appear to be flashing normally?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Are you using the two DMX ports on the back of the console or are you using</span><br><span>networking?</span><br><span></span><br><span>If using the two DMX ports:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Exit into 'Settings' and check that Local DMX is enabled, DMX is the default</span><br><span>and that the two universes are configured correctly.</span><br><span></span><br><span>If that does not fix the problem and you system configuration appears correct,</span><br><span>call ETC for tech support.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Bill</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 11</span><br><span>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:01:36 -0800 (PST)</span><br><span>From: <a href="mailto:billn@peak.org">billn@peak.org</a></span><br><span>To: "Stagecraft Mailing List" <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [SML] FOH hang and focus safety improvement needed</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:8871cdb3cce80a61f87d2b3b964542e3.squirrel@webmail.peak.org">8871cdb3cce80a61f87d2b3b964542e3.squirrel@webmail.peak.org</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1</span><br><span></span><br><span>I just made some measurements in the auditorium.</span><br><span></span><br><span>With a foot height of 11 feet, my head would be level with the highest light</span><br><span>bar. I am about 5 ft 9 inches tall.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I would like to go higher, but the light bars are less than 1 foot below the</span><br><span>ceiling.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The seat row spacing is 31" plus/minus about 1 inch.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The aisle widths are 3' 1" HR and 3' 6" HL.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The only cross aisle is the one between the front row of seats and the stage</span><br><span>apron. It is at least 4 foot wide, but I don't know if an assembled scaffold</span><br><span>could be maneuvered around the corner seats into the side aisles for use.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Bill</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 12</span><br><span>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:32:34 -0800</span><br><span>From: Bill Conner <<a href="mailto:billconnerastc@gmail.com">billconnerastc@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>To: Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [SML] FOH hang and focus safety improvement needed</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:CAHtCQ9SPvuHj6FHedpr5H2WiSB9TcukuD4zd6DpJjU8VSyTHng@mail.gmail.com">CAHtCQ9SPvuHj6FHedpr5H2WiSB9TcukuD4zd6DpJjU8VSyTHng@mail.gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Just for an off beat approach, aluminum truss catwalk that spans the room,</span><br><span>a rail on each side wall, and store catwalk against rear wall when not in</span><br><span>use. Now you can get to whole ceiling, as many battens as you wish, house</span><br><span>lights and all.</span><br><span></span><br><span>No doubt some director would use it in a show some day.</span><br><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://theatrical.net/pipermail/stagecraft_theatrical.net/attachments/20171122/3828b3df/attachment-0001.html">http://theatrical.net/pipermail/stagecraft_theatrical.net/attachments/20171122/3828b3df/attachment-0001.html</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 13</span><br><span>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 08:03:50 -0800</span><br><span>From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center"</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:admin@mtangelperformingarts.com">admin@mtangelperformingarts.com</a>></span><br><span>To: Stagecraft Mailing List <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [SML] FOH hang and focus safety improvement needed</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:c2508b4a-fe6a-cc4d-772c-68f63cad6625@mtangelperformingarts.com">c2508b4a-fe6a-cc4d-772c-68f63cad6625@mtangelperformingarts.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 11/22/2017 5:01 AM, Bill Nelson via Stagecraft wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>I just made some measurements in the auditorium.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>With a foot height of 11 feet, my head would be level with the highest light</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>bar. I am about 5 ft 9 inches tall.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I would like to go higher, but the light bars are less than 1 foot below the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ceiling.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The seat row spacing is 31" plus/minus about 1 inch.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The aisle widths are 3' 1" HR and 3' 6" HL.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The only cross aisle is the one between the front row of seats and the stage</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>apron. It is at least 4 foot wide, but I don't know if an assembled scaffold</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>could be maneuvered around the corner seats into the side aisles for use.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Bill</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>The BilJax base units are 29" wide so they should fit into your aisle </span><br><span>space. You can clamp on the outriggers once positioned in the seating area.</span><br><span></span><br><span>These are 'stock in trade' for most local rental yards so maybe rent one </span><br><span>for a half-day and see if it will negotiate your terrain. I think that </span><br><span>would be easier and more productive than a tabletop simulation.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Also keep in mind you can put the cross braces at any height so it will </span><br><span>span over the tops of your seats.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I didn't find the scaffold dimensions anywhere on the previously </span><br><span>referenced page but they are here: </span><br><span><<a href="http://www.biljax.com/clientuploads/Catalogs/Scaffold/Pro-JaxCat.pdf">http://www.biljax.com/clientuploads/Catalogs/Scaffold/Pro-JaxCat.pdf</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>Carla</span><br><span></span><br><span>Exclaimed the falling man as he plunged past the 24th story, ?So far, so </span><br><span>good!?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Subject: Digest Footer</span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Stagecraft mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Stagecraft@theatrical.net">Stagecraft@theatrical.net</a></span><br><span><a href="http://theatrical.net/mailman/listinfo/stagecraft_theatrical.net">http://theatrical.net/mailman/listinfo/stagecraft_theatrical.net</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>End of Stagecraft Digest, Vol 39, Issue 20</span><br><span>******************************************</span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>