<div dir="ltr"><br><div>Ross, I haven't read all of the replies, so pardon if this is a repeat. My experience with hazers is that they are GREAT when they are new. The MINUTE they begin experiencing problems, however, they are CRAP!. If you can afford to buy a new machine, then you should be very pleased with it for the first few productions that you want to use it for. However, with a small space, you might explore the results from cheap over-the-counter humidifiers. They will produce a water haze that should give you the desired effect in a smallish black-box style space at a FRACTION of the cost.</div><div><br></div><div>FWIW, when the theatrical hazers (not cracked oil, but the water-based haze fluid type) are new and working properly, you should NOT experience RESIDUE (except maybe a TINY amount just at the nozzle of the unit). Once they malfunction, you can get puddles at the nozzle, but the Haze itself is rather benign. A quality Haze Fluid should NOT cause breathing problems. However, check with your actor's union rep, because I understand that Equity may have a different opinion.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:41 PM Riter, Andrew via Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">LeMaitre Radiance Hazers are also very good. The external fan is louder than the hazer. A cheap household fan would also work to move stuff around.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I recommend against a DF-50, only because of the noise level of the unit. In a small venue you won’t get it far enough away from the audience to be quiet.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Yes, you want water based (also known as Gylcol or glycerin). This is the Radiance fluid.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">They don’t leave a residue on the stage or the equipment (unless you blast the output against something). Put the fan behind or beside the hazer, and NOT in
front of the output. The fan gets disgusting over a long time.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">DON’T do any home made haze. I wouldn’t trust it (safety-wise), and it probably won’t be repeatable.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Budget-wise: try renting.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">When I was with a local theatre company, they would buy foggers (not hazers) cheap from Halloween-type stores. They would make fog, but it always cycled off
right before the cue. You won’t be affected if a hazer cycles on or off throughout the show. I only mention because CHEAP comes at other costs.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Placement: in the wings, or on a pipe above the stage (depends how your air flow works), behind the drum riser . . . .
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Health issues. A reputable brand (like from a rental company) should NOT cause any response from performers or audience. I wouldn’t take a mouthful from the
output nozzle, though. However, some people are affected by the SIGHT of haze in the air. You can’t do much about them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Good luck. Have fun. It really does change the lighting and scenery of the show (walls of light are now possible).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Hello all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I am doing research for the posiblity of buying a haze machine. My alto-ego asked this question on the FB side, so I will ask here as well go into more detail.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">One of the theatre group I work with is gearing up to a production with a rock concert vibe (Rock of Ages). In in effort to create the lighting effects from a (good) concert, I came across
the topic of hazer machines. No one in the group that I know about, has any experince with Hazers. So I have a few questions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">1) What are the best brands to look at on a shoe string budget? From the research I have done so far, I think I would prefer a water based one. HAs any one tried the DIY versions I have seen
on youtube?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">2) The artist director asked about reside? Will it make the stage slick or sticky at any point in time? From what I have read, water based will not at anytime, oil based might if you had
a rock concert playing in the space every night for a week or more. What is you experince?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">3) Any concern in regards to placement with a live band or lighting?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">4) Has it been know to trigger breathing problems? (Like a patron with asthma)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">We have a small space, around 140 seats. Concerns about setting of the fire alarm have already been dealt with.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I look forward to responces.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Clay Ross<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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