<div dir="auto">I went for cheapest to avoid the cost argument. I usually have riggers do these - I'll know I'll get 1 1/2" schedule 40, and they'll be strong.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes, recessed coves are good but cost a lot more.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I could go for unistrut - the kind that's recessed.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 19, 2024, 7:36 PM Stuart Wheaton via Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>If the goal is a smooth sidewall for acoustical & easthetic
purposes for music events or speakers, could the box booms have a
door over them that swings out to reveal the box booms only during
theatre shows?</p>
<p>Stuart Wheaton<br>
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<div>On 2/19/2024 3:07 PM, Bill Conner via
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<div dir="ltr">I should add not all the architects. Schools
choose to enter an agreement with a CM (construction manager)
with a GMP (guaranteed maximum price) because of bad experiences
(way over budget) using the design, bid, build approach. There
is tremendous incentive on the part of the CM to minimize costs
once this agreement is in place. I can only imagine that the
individuals are highly incentivised to reduce actual costs,
since any reductions are mostly additional profits to the CM.
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<div>Not in my opinion a good system but designers - I'll
include consultants in that group - too many times were
optimistic in their estimating. So a school, with a finite
amount of money based on a bond issue voted on by the public,
needs to know they won't spend more and GMPs do that - the
guarantee.</div>
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<div>Not sorry I'm mostly out of it. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at
2:57 PM Bill Conner <<a href="mailto:billconnerastc@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">billconnerastc@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Yeah. I can see 21 ft booms not anchored..
That's my last goto. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at
2:15 PM Steven Haworth via Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I
agree - don't give up Bill!</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Those
box boom positions are crucial to so many decent
designs, IMO.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Perhaps
you could attempt an argument that if you don't build
them - and properly - then some student production
down the road is going to try jerry rigging something
which would be unsafe to rig, and unsafe for the
audience?<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 19, 2024
at 12:39 PM Ford Sellers via Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Don’t give up.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft-bounces@theatrical.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">stagecraft-bounces@theatrical.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Conner via
Stagecraft<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 19, 2024
10:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bill Conner <<a href="mailto:billconnerastc@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">billconnerastc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [SML] box booms</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm working with an
architect who is resisting having a lighting
position on the cheek walls of a new 700
seat theatre with 15' of forestage. I showed
horizontal rails, vertical rails, and coves
with and without access behind. He showed on
picture of a HS theate without. And the
school does pride themselves on the their
performing arts program.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">First, a lesson. Once
you retire, don't un-retire no matter
what, even for just one gig.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, group, should I
keep insisting on a box boom lighting
position or give up? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a rail on the
rear wall also, a "balcony rail" position,
which I'm guessing will get attacked
also. I just keep remembering Tom Skelton
saying repeatedly "rail is best". </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!</p>
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