<div dir="ltr">I should add not all the architects. Schools choose to enter an agreement with a CM (construction manager) with a GMP (guaranteed maximum price) because of bad experiences (way over budget) using the design, bid, build approach. There is tremendous incentive on the part of the CM to minimize costs once this agreement is in place. I can only imagine that the individuals are highly incentivised to reduce actual costs, since any reductions are mostly additional profits to the CM.<div><br></div><div>Not in my opinion a good system but designers - I'll include consultants in that group - too many times were optimistic in their estimating. So a school, with a finite amount of money based on a bond issue voted on by the public, needs to know they won't spend more and GMPs do that - the guarantee.</div><div><br></div><div>Not sorry I'm mostly out of it. </div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:57 PM Bill Conner <<a href="mailto:billconnerastc@gmail.com">billconnerastc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yeah. I can see 21 ft booms not anchored.. That's my last goto. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:15 PM Steven Haworth via Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net" target="_blank">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I agree - don't give up Bill!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Those box boom positions are crucial to so many decent designs, IMO.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Perhaps you could attempt an argument that if you don't build them - and properly - then some student production down the road is going to try jerry rigging something which would be unsafe to rig, and unsafe for the audience?<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 12:39 PM Ford Sellers via Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net" target="_blank">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Conner via Stagecraft<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 19, 2024 10:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net" target="_blank">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bill Conner <<a href="mailto:billconnerastc@gmail.com" target="_blank">billconnerastc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [SML] box booms<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm working with an architect who is resisting having a lighting position on the cheek walls of a new 700 seat theatre with 15' of forestage. I showed horizontal rails, vertical rails, and coves with and without access behind. He showed
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