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    <p>If the goal is a smooth sidewall for acoustical & easthetic
      purposes for music events or speakers, could the box booms have a
      door over them that swings out to reveal the box booms only during
      theatre shows?</p>
    <p>Stuart Wheaton<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/19/2024 3:07 PM, Bill Conner via
      Stagecraft wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I should add not all the architects.  Schools
        choose to enter an agreement with a CM (construction manager)
        with a GMP (guaranteed maximum price) because of bad experiences
        (way over budget) using the design, bid, build approach. There
        is tremendous incentive on the part of the CM to minimize costs
        once this agreement is in place.  I can only imagine that the
        individuals are highly incentivised to reduce actual costs,
        since any reductions are mostly additional profits to the CM.
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        <div>Not in my opinion a good system but designers - I'll
          include consultants in that group - too many times were
          optimistic in their estimating.  So a school, with a finite
          amount of money based on a bond issue voted on by the public,
          needs to know they won't spend more and GMPs do that - the
          guarantee.</div>
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        <div>Not sorry I'm mostly out of it.  </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at
          2:57 PM Bill Conner <<a
            href="mailto:billconnerastc@gmail.com"
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          <div dir="ltr">Yeah.  I can see 21 ft booms not anchored..
            That's my last goto. </div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at
              2:15 PM Steven Haworth via Stagecraft <<a
                href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net" target="_blank"
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              wrote:<br>
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                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I
                  agree - don't give up Bill!</div>
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                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Those
                  box boom positions are crucial to so many decent
                  designs, IMO.</div>
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                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Perhaps
                  you could attempt an argument that if you don't build
                  them - and properly - then some student production
                  down the road is going to try jerry rigging something
                  which would be unsafe to rig, and unsafe for the
                  audience?<br>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 19, 2024
                  at 12:39 PM Ford Sellers via Stagecraft <<a
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                  wrote:<br>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11pt">Don’t give up.</span></p>
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                            style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Stagecraft <<a
href="mailto:stagecraft-bounces@theatrical.net" target="_blank"
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                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Conner via
                              Stagecraft<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 19, 2024
                              10:12 AM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> Stagecraft <<a
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                              <b>Cc:</b> Bill Conner <<a
                                href="mailto:billconnerastc@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">billconnerastc@gmail.com</a>><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> [SML] box booms</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">I'm working with an
                            architect who is resisting having a lighting
                            position on the cheek walls of a new 700
                            seat theatre with 15' of forestage. I showed
                            horizontal rails, vertical rails, and coves
                            with and without access behind. He showed on
                            picture of a HS theate without.  And the
                            school does pride themselves on the their
                            performing arts program.</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">First, a lesson. Once
                              you retire, don't un-retire no matter
                              what, even for just one gig.</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">So, group, should I
                              keep insisting on a box boom lighting
                              position or give up?  </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">I have a rail on the
                              rear wall also, a "balcony rail" position,
                              which I'm guessing will get attacked
                              also.  I just keep remembering Tom Skelton
                              saying repeatedly "rail is best".  </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!</p>
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