<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp7f4d5439yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Agreed. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I suspect IT does not understanding how the terms “commercial” and “for-hire” are used in the entertainment business. The designer’s product is not a work “for-hire” in the legal sense at all, as the designer retains all rights. A school production is "educational” not “commercial.”</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Vectorworks WANTS us to use their software for teaching because students who learn it in school go on to prefer it professionally. As Scott showed, they’re willing to give a license so long as it’s used for educational purposes and putting on a school show certainly qualifies. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I would argue the students are learning from the guest designer in his capacity as an “artist in residence” and as such, the designer should have the same access as regular faculty and staff do to school resources, including computing software, for the period of their employ. Would the IT folks argue he can’t used the WIFI to program?? </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">From a risk management standpoint, it's also in the school’s best interest to have any communications with/from him be on a school-owned email so they have everything should some student make a claim down the line. It’s easy enough to set up forward from a school email to a personal one so he can have copies for his records, too. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">As for the $1500 fee - that’s about half the going rate, but it depends on a host of factors, mostly related to the size, length, complexity, and scope of the show. A simple play with one set and few cues using a rep plot - sure, but I’ve seen as much as $5K for a HS musical. The USA829 rates are publicly available - use those as a guide. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Also, I’ll posit that the fact someone isn’t doing their craft 24/7/365 does not automatically negate the quality of their work. Often, it’s more a matter of necessity and geography. I don’t stage manage as much as I’d like because there are no local Equity employers and I’ve got bills to pay - as well as other windmills I'm tilting at. That doesn’t mean the quality of my stage management work is inferior nor is my dedication to doing every job to the best of my ability lacking because I’ve chosen to have health insurance and pay my bills rather than live in poverty waiting for the next SM gig to come along. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Think about it - our island of misfit toys is full of multi-hyphenates who succeed at multiple things. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Bill Sapsis - book and standardized exam author, rigger, business owner, trainer, designer. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Richard Niederberg - lawyer, theatrical and TV stagehand, producer.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Jonathan Deull - VP of international trucking company, rigger, environmental advocate, lawyer, stagehand</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Dave Vick - Is he less of a rigger because he’s driving a city bus for a living right now or drove a semi? </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I can’t think of a single person here who does only one thing. We’re too intelligent and too stubborn to sit and watch the clock tick by. We make things happen. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">And the skills we have from technical theater are useful in all those other things. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">If you want to see my session on that, I’ll be at Mesa Community College for KCACTF Region 8 on Friday. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Kristi RC</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br><blockquote style="padding-left:10px;border-left:2px solid #0f69ff;margin-left:20px">"1.6 TERMS COMMON TO ALL LICENSES"<br clear="none">"The Licensee may not:"<br clear="none">"d. Use the software for any commercial or for-hire purpose, except for <br clear="none">use of the software by enrolled students as part of a bona fide <br clear="none">internship or apprenticeship program approved by Licensee."<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Meaning, you can't use it for outside projects that aren't a part of the <br clear="none">school, *and* make a paycheck from it.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I don't see how the school's charging money for tickets would break that <br clear="none">portion of the license. The school charges money from students to enroll <br clear="none">in its courses, so the school is already making money from the use of <br clear="none">the software. Plus, the license states that a student can make a <br clear="none">personal income from their use of the software as long as it's part of a <br clear="none">school internship or apprenticeship.</blockquote></div></div><div id="ydp6b79f0cfyahoo_quoted_9820739069" class="ydp6b79f0cfyahoo_quoted"><div class="ydp6b79f0cfyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left: 1px solid #ccc;padding-left: 8px;margin: 0px 0px 0px 8px" class="ydp6b79f0cfinline_reply_quote_container" data-split-quote-node="true"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="ydp6b79f0cfyqt4347950424" id="ydp6b79f0cfyqtfd27319"><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
</div>
</div></div></body></html>