<div dir="auto">In Kansas City the going rate is around 70-90k</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But I would advise you to flip the equation. Create your own budget of what you need. This is your Minimum. keep going to identify your target.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Does the salary fall in line with your target or does it put you into a financial hole? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Not really something we can answer but if you accept a job based off of the published salary without consulting your own budget you can dig a hole really quick. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>Dan Ayers</b><br></div><a href="mailto:dan@danayers.net" target="_blank">dan@danayers.net</a><br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 8:15 PM John McAfee via Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div style="line-break:after-white-space">Thanks, this is helpful! And Tim, thanks for confirming my thoughts.</div><div style="line-break:after-white-space"><br id="m_6757521117462005166lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 8, 2025, at 11:14 AM, Kristi R-C <<a href="mailto:misswisc@aol.com" target="_blank">misswisc@aol.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"></div>
        <div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">That is on the low side, IMHO. Indeed puts it at $65K-$80K </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Better yet, use this: <a href="https://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/11001" rel="nofollow" style="letter-spacing:-0.02em;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" target="_blank">Living Wage Calculator        - Living Wage Calculation for District of Columbia, District of Columbia</a></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div id="m_6757521117462005166ydp861aa455enhancr_card_2205469601" style="max-width:400px;font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><a href="https://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/11001" style="font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;text-decoration:none!important" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="max-width:400px;font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><tbody style="font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><tr style="font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><td width="400" style="font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="max-width:400px;border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-radius:2px;font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;border-color:rgb(224,228,233)"><tbody style="font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><tr style="font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><td style="font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-repeat:repeat;width:100%;max-width:400px;border-radius:0px 0px 2px 2px;border-top-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);border-top-color:rgb(224,228,233)"><tbody style="font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><tr style="font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><td style="padding:16px 0px 16px 12px;vertical-align:top;border-radius:0px 0px 0px 2px;font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></td><td style="vertical-align:middle;padding:12px 24px 16px 12px;width:99%;font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;border-radius:0px 0px 2px"><h2 style="font-size:14px;line-height:19px;margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;max-width:314px;color:rgb(29,34,40)">Living Wage Calculator        - Living Wage Calculation for District of ...</h2><p style="font-size:12px;line-height:16px;margin:0px;font-family:"YahooSans VF",YahooSans,"OpenSans VF",OpenSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(151,158,168)"></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Kristi RC</div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div>
        
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                        On Tuesday, July 8, 2025, 08:33:19 AM CDT, John McAfee via Stagecraft <<a href="mailto:stagecraft@theatrical.net" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">stagecraft@theatrical.net</a>> wrote:
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                <div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Hi all,<br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">I’ve gotten an offer for a TD position from a LORT theatre in the DC area.  The salary offer is 67,000, which seems low to me and is 3,000 lower than the last time the position was advertised.  The shop currently consists of two carpenters and a scenic artist, with no plans to hire an ATD or shop supervisor (which were previous positions).  This means that I would be the only exempt staff member in scenic and though I could accrue comp time for weeks where I work over 40 hours, I don’t know that I’d practically be able to take it.  Not staffing up indicates financial uncertainty (understandable in the current climate), but by saving the salaries of the other two positions, the extra slack would fall to the TD and there should be some compensatory acknowledgment of that.<br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">The upcoming season -could- be built successfully with a lean shop supplemented by overhire, but I expect a professional theater that builds scenery in-house to have a TD, ATD, shop supervisor, and at least three carpenters along with a painter (ideally at least a painter and a half).<br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">I’ve spent much of my career in higher ed, where I have been generally underpaid and deeply understaffed, so I wanted to get a temperature check for my assumptions as I go into negotiation/shop advocacy.<br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Happy to answer questions.<br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Thanks,<br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">John<br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">____________________________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">For list information see <<a href="http://stagecraft.theprices.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">http://stagecraft.theprices.net/</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Stagecraft mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:Stagecraft@theatrical.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Stagecraft@theatrical.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><a href="http://theatrical.net/mailman/listinfo/stagecraft_theatrical.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">http://theatrical.net/mailman/listinfo/stagecraft_theatrical.net</a><br></div></div>
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