[SML] By the Waters of Babylon

Sat Sep 20 19:11:49 UTC 2014

Thank you, Richard Archer, I'll drop him a line.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  By the Waters of Babylon (Richard John Archer)
   2. Re:  Doing unto others.... (Kristi R-C)
   3. Re:  Thread projection (Loren Schreiber)
   4. Re:  Thread projection (Steven Hood)
   5. Re:  PCI cards for new Mac machines... (Steven Hood)
   6.  This 3D printer makes buildings. (Dale Farmer)
   7. Re:  This 3D printer makes buildings. (billn at peak.org)
   8. Re:  This 3D printer makes buildings. (Pat Kight)
   9. Re:  This 3D printer makes buildings. (Don Taco)
  10. Re:  This 3D printer makes buildings. (billn at peak.org)
  11. Re:  Doing unto others.... (Stephen Rees)
  12.  SawStop (Matt)
  13.  McHale's in NYC (Stephen Rees)
  14. Re:  Doing unto others.... (Jeffrey E. Salzberg)
  15. Re:  Doing unto others.... (Herrick Goldman)
  16.  My new road box? (herrick goldman)
  17. Re:  My new road box? (Chip Wood)
  18.  Beer (Jerry Durand)
  19. Re:  Beer (Chip Wood)
  20. Re:  Beer (Jon Ares)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 21:27:26 +0000
From: Richard John Archer <rja10 at cornell.edu>
To: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <jeff at jeffsalzberg.com>, Stagecraft Mailing
	List	<stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] By the Waters of Babylon
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I can't help you with the name of that specific designer, but the Saint
Michael's Playhouse production of Talley's Folly in 2009 did something sorta
like that.  Set designer was James Wolk.

Edging in from the shadows . . .

Does anyone on the list know who designed or dressed the weed-ridden set for
either the Geffen Playhouse (2009) or Oregon Shakespeare Festival production
(2005) of Robert Schenkkan?s By The Waters of Babylon (and how to contact)?
Love to ask a question or two of the designer, for an upcoming production at
Tennessee Women?s Theater Project. This link is to a photo of the OSF set, I
believe:
http://www.robertschenkkan.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/photo
s/In%20the%20Garden.jpg?itok=U_cT_Xg-

Chris Clarke

Michael Ganio  designer    ?.now  at U cal Irvine?

http://drama.arts.uci.edu/faculty/michael-ganio

DickA, TD
Cornell U
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 17:19:23 -0500
From: Kristi R-C <misswisc at aol.com>
To: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <jeff at jeffsalzberg.com>,	Stagecraft Mailing
	List <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] Doing unto others....
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There are many times I don't answer because someone else has already done so
with what I would say. And I'm still learning about many things too. Most of
my rigging knowledge is from this list and Unkle Bill's Heads R Tales book. 

Unless someone is clogging up the list with "that coffee isn't good enough
for me because the ions weren't molecularly aligned with the LED angles
perpendicular to the 12 o'clock position on that thrust stage," I say let
them write as much as they want. 

Kristi R-C

> On Sep 19, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg via Stagecraft
<stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
> 
> This is something I've been thinking about for awhile, and is not meant to
reflect upon any recent conversations or the participants therein (Damn.  I
could write the intro to Law and Order, if Law and Order were still on the
air...).
> 
> This list is a marvelous resource, made all the more so by our willingness
to help each other out.
> 
> I've noticed, though, that there are some people who periodically ask
advice of the list but never, ever respond to others' questions, even when
I'm more than reasonably certain that they know the answers.
> 
> So, if you're one of those people, you're perfectly free to keep doing
that.  We'll still answer your questions...because that's who we are.
> 
> ...But I urge to think about it, and decide if that's really who you are.
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:38:46 -0700
From: Loren Schreiber <lschreib at mail.sdsu.edu>
To: stagecraft at theatrical.net
Subject: Re: [SML] Thread projection
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What I was really looking for was a US standard or a regulation to cite. 
Frankly, I'm a little surprised that there isn't one.

There is this from the FAA, who take great pride in regulating everything.
In regards to self-locking nuts:

"After the nut has been tightened, make sure the rounded or chamfered end of
the bolts, studs, or screws extends at least the full round or chamfer
through the nut. Flat end bolts, studs, or screws should extend at least
1?32 inch through the nut."

And there is the DIN 78 specification which specifies a 3 thread projection
for self-locking nuts.

--
Professor Loren Philip Schreiber
Technical Director
School of Theatre, Television, and Film
ETCP-T Certified Rigger #1095
CA Contractor License #966080

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:46:42 -0700
From: Steven Hood <shood_td at yahoo.com>
To: Loren Schreiber <lschreib at mail.sdsu.edu>,	Stagecraft Mailing List
	<stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] Thread projection
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I would guess that, for self-locking (Nylocks, especially) that they (any
manufacturer) would try to limit how many turns the nylon (or whatever the
lock) is subjected to, as the locking tension would be diminished by
over-use. I've seen nylocks worn out from use so that the nylon doesn't even
engage the threads. I've also seen captive lock washers (the toothed
variety) smashed under so much torque that they flatten out and fall off
when the nut is removed later for some adjustment to the assembly...
That's just my tuppence,
Steven R Hood

On Friday, September 19, 2014 3:38 PM, Loren Schreiber via Stagecraft
<stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
What I was really looking for was a US standard or a regulation to cite. 
Frankly, I'm a little surprised that there isn't one.

There is this from the FAA, who take great pride in regulating 
everything. In regards to self-locking nuts:

"After the nut has been tightened, make sure the rounded
or chamfered end of the bolts, studs, or screws extends
at least the full round or chamfer through the nut. Flat
end bolts, studs, or screws should extend at least 1?32
inch through the nut."

And there is the DIN 78 specification which specifies a 3 thread 
projection for self-locking nuts.

-- 
Professor Loren Philip Schreiber
Technical Director
School of Theatre, Television, and Film
ETCP-T Certified Rigger #1095
CA Contractor License #966080

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:58:47 -0700
From: Steven Hood <shood_td at yahoo.com>
To: Steven Hood <shood_td at yahoo.com>,	Stagecraft Mailing List
	<stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] PCI cards for new Mac machines...
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Practiced some Google-fu and came up with these 2 groups: sonnettech.com and
magma.com
Anyone familiar with either group?

TIA,
Steven
(below is what I wrote earlier...)

On Friday, September 19, 2014 11:11 AM, Steven Hood via Stagecraft
<stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
We have an aging Mac tower. We're looking to update, but I'm not planning on
throwing away the 3 ProTools HD cards in the box. What are y'all finding to
connect those to newer Mac machines, now that Apple has decided not to allow
PCI cards?

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 22:40:47 -0400
From: Dale Farmer <dalesql at verizon.net>
To: Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: [SML] This 3D printer makes buildings.
Message-ID: <541CE92F.2090402 at verizon.net>
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It extrudes concrete.   The inventor printed a castle in his back yard.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/09/01/shorewood-man-builds-concrete-castl
e-with-homemade-3d-printer/

I'm pretty sure I don't want to move any scenery this machine 
constructs.  But this guy wins the nicest storage shed contest.

    --Dale

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:31:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: billn at peak.org
To: "Dale Farmer" <dalesql at verizon.net>,	"Stagecraft Mailing List"
	<stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] This 3D printer makes buildings.
Message-ID:
	<c6a68fe4b4608257ceeb98127b7ebd05.squirrel at webmail.peak.org>
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> I'm pretty sure I don't want to move any scenery this machine
> constructs.  But this guy wins the nicest storage shed contest.

More of a yard/garden decoration. No roof and it looks like there is not
much
usable interior space.

Interesting project, none-the-less.

Bill

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:34:17 -0700
From: Pat Kight <kightp at peak.org>
To: billn at peak.org, Stagecraft Mailing List
	<stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] This 3D printer makes buildings.
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Bill Nelson via Stagecraft wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure I don't want to move any scenery this machine
>> constructs.  But this guy wins the nicest storage shed contest.
>
> More of a yard/garden decoration. No roof and it looks like there is not
much
> usable interior space.
>
> Interesting project, none-the-less.

And talk about a proof-of-concept! I like his big dreams of building 
houses this way, although in this part of the world, he'd need to figure 
out a way to include seismic reinforcement...

-- 
Pat Kight
kightp at peak.org

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:35:52 -0700
From: "Don Taco" <taco at peak.org>
To: "Pat Kight" <kightp at peak.org>,	"Stagecraft Mailing List"
	<stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] This 3D printer makes buildings.
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	reply-type=response

> Bill Nelson via Stagecraft wrote:
>>> I'm pretty sure I don't want to move any scenery this machine
>>> constructs.  But this guy wins the nicest storage shed contest.
>>
>> More of a yard/garden decoration. No roof and it looks like there is not 
>> much
>> usable interior space.
>>
>> Interesting project, none-the-less.
>
> And talk about a proof-of-concept! I like his big dreams of building 
> houses this way, although in this part of the world, he'd need to figure 
> out a way to include seismic reinforcement...
>
       Why?  He can just squirt out another one.

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:42:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: billn at peak.org
To: "Don Taco" <taco at peak.org>,	"Stagecraft Mailing List"
	<stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] This 3D printer makes buildings.
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	<42a7e9a3f9cd05fc18eab88a3b466052.squirrel at webmail.peak.org>
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>> Bill Nelson via Stagecraft wrote:
>>>> I'm pretty sure I don't want to move any scenery this machine
>>>> constructs.  But this guy wins the nicest storage shed contest.
>>>
>>> More of a yard/garden decoration. No roof and it looks like there is not
>>> much
>>> usable interior space.
>>>
>>> Interesting project, none-the-less.
>>
>> And talk about a proof-of-concept! I like his big dreams of building
>> houses this way, although in this part of the world, he'd need to figure
>> out a way to include seismic reinforcement...
>>
>        Why?  He can just squirt out another one.

Not much good to someone inside it when it collapsed and was extruded out
between the pieces.

Bil

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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:27:36 -0400
From: Stephen Rees <Stephen.Rees at fredonia.edu>
To: Kristi R-C <misswisc at aol.com>,	Stagecraft Mailing List
	<stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] Doing unto others....
Message-ID:
	<CAMdFUXU33z8+ZMjn3JY8bVq7WxZDYgYEokavyqhnpTB-aqjiyw at mail.gmail.com>
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True enough, Kristi. I usually get most messages that have already be
replied to in some form. If I agree with the comment or have nothing
new or different to add to the conversation, I'll usually sit back
quietly rather than being part of the chorus of "..me toos" or "+1s".
On the other hand, if I have an actual contribution to make, I'm
pleased to make it and hope that it can be of benefit to the original
poster and others as well.
Steve Rees

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Kristi R-C via Stagecraft
<stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
> There are many times I don't answer because someone else has already done
so
> with what I would say. And I'm still learning about many things too. Most
of
> my rigging knowledge is from this list and Unkle Bill's Heads R Tales
book.
>
> Unless someone is clogging up the list with "that coffee isn't good enough
> for me because the ions weren't molecularly aligned with the LED angles
> perpendicular to the 12 o'clock position on that thrust stage," I say let
> them write as much as they want.
>
> Kristi R-C
>
> On Sep 19, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg via Stagecraft
> <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>
> This is something I've been thinking about for awhile, and is not meant to
> reflect upon any recent conversations or the participants therein (Damn.
I
> could write the intro to Law and Order, if Law and Order were still on the
> air...).
>
> This list is a marvelous resource, made all the more so by our willingness
> to help each other out.
>
> I've noticed, though, that there are some people who periodically ask
advice
> of the list but never, ever respond to others' questions, even when I'm
more
> than reasonably certain that they know the answers.
>
> So, if you're one of those people, you're perfectly free to keep doing
that.
> We'll still answer your questions...because that's who we are.
>
> ...But I urge to think about it, and decide if that's really who you are.
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:27:50 -0400
From: Matt <mjedesigner at gmail.com>
To: Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: [SML] SawStop
Message-ID: <9BB41F82-4375-46CC-A0CE-40AEFBED8A57 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thomas,

SawStop sent me an additional list as follows:

Other sources of 

 Metal sheeting such as Aluminum or copper

 Grounded metal (i.e. the blade guard splitter, the riving knife, a metal
jig, or a metal tape measure

in contact with the table top.)

 Relatively large masses of ungrounded metal, such as a tape measure not in
contact with the table

or a combination square or ruler)

 Foil-backed insulation

 Mirror-backed plastic (usually a metallic layer deposited onto the back of
the plastic)

 Metallic paint layers (e.g. gold paint on picture frames)

Other conductive materials:

 Conductive laminate layers (some countertops have a foil layer behind the
formica)

 Black melamine board that has carbon black in the melamine layer

 Carbon composite materials (helicopter blades, ski poles, fishing poles,
tennis racquets)

 Electronic circuit boards (because of the conductive layers)

 Cell phones (you might think it?s listed here just for humor value, but a
shop student actually did

run his cell phone into a saw to see what would happen)

 Uncured glue layers (wet glue is a good electrical simulator of a person)

 Wet pressure-treated materials (the metallic salt solutions use to treat
the wood are quite

conductive unless very dry)

 Very wet wood (though usually the saw will try to shut down rather than
activating the brake)

Basically you need to avoid cutting conductive materials. If you are in
doubt about whether any material poses a risk of spuriously activating the
brake, you can place the saw in bypass mode and make a test cut or two. If
the material would have triggered the brake, the saw will blink its red LED
(until the blade stops) to indicate that contact was detected. If there are
no indications of detection, you can proceed to cut in normal mode. If
detection is indicated, the material needs to be cut in bypass mode. When in
doubt, test in bypass.

A side note: Nails and screws in and of themselves are not large enough to
load the signal and cause an activation. However, if the operator or the
table top is in direct contact with the other end of the nail or screw, a
conductive path with be completed as if the blade contacted the person or
grounded surface. Also, there is a small chance that in cutting through a
nail or screw, a piece of debris could be carried by a blade tooth into the
gap between the brake and blade. If the gap is bridged by conductive debris,
then an activation can occur. 

Thank you,
Matt Evans
Technical Director
University of Dayton
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:35:44 -0400
From: Stephen Rees <Stephen.Rees at fredonia.edu>
To: Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: [SML] McHale's in NYC
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Last weekend Mary and I were in NYC doing a tour of gardens in the
Bronx, Brooklyn and Manhattan and had time Saturday evening before
doing a backstage tour to eat dinner at McHale's Bar and Grill on W
51st across from the Gershwin stage door.  I recalled a long time back
that there was mention of the late, lamented McHale's on this list but
thought to give the new version a go. Sooo. Although it is probably
not the quintessential stagehand bar the former place was, we were
real pleased with location, food quality and legal beverage choices.
Recommended if you are seeking such a venue before or after a show.
Steve Rees

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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:37:55 -0400
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <jeff at jeffsalzberg.com>
To: Stephen Rees <Stephen.Rees at fredonia.edu>,	Stagecraft Mailing List
	<stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] Doing unto others....
Message-ID: <541D7523.8090901 at jeffsalzberg.com>
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You and Kristi are among the most helpful people here.  The ones to whom 
I refer are the people who ask for help but never, ever offer any in 
exchange, even when they could.

As I said, they should absolutely continue to ask.  The list is for them 
as well as for us, and if nothing else, the info might benefit others.  
I merely suggested that they might consider whether giving something 
back would be a little more fair.

On 9/20/2014 8:27 AM, Stephen Rees via Stagecraft wrote:
> True enough, Kristi. I usually get most messages that have already be
> replied to in some form.

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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:08:37 -0400
From: Herrick Goldman <herrick at hglightingdesign.com>
To: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <jeff at jeffsalzberg.com>,	Stagecraft Mailing
	List <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] Doing unto others....
Message-ID:
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Me too

Sent from my H-pad

Herrick Goldman
917-797-3624
www.HGlightingdesign.com

> On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:37, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg via Stagecraft"
<stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
> 
> You and Kristi are among the most helpful people here.  The ones to whom I
refer are the people who ask for help but never, ever offer any in exchange,
even when they could.
> 
> As I said, they should absolutely continue to ask.  The list is for them
as well as for us, and if nothing else, the info might benefit others.  I
merely suggested that they might consider whether giving something back
would be a little more fair.
> 
>> On 9/20/2014 8:27 AM, Stephen Rees via Stagecraft wrote:
>> True enough, Kristi. I usually get most messages that have already be
>> replied to in some form.
> 
> 
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 11:10:03 -0400
From: herrick goldman <herrick at hglightingdesign.com>
To: Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: [SML] My new road box?
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http://themetapicture.com/this-antique-cabinet/

Herrick Goldman 917-797-3624
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:51:10 -0700
From: Chip Wood <chip.a.wood at gmail.com>
To: herrick goldman <herrick at hglightingdesign.com>,	Stagecraft Mailing
	List <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] My new road box?
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Really?  It has no coffee cup holder!

Chip 1

On 9/20/2014 8:10 AM, herrick goldman via Stagecraft wrote:
>
> http://themetapicture.com/this-antique-cabinet/
>
>

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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:00:35 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand at interstellar.com>
To: Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: [SML] Beer
Message-ID: <541DA4A3.1090600 at interstellar.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Since this IS the SML bar & grill...

Pabst is now a Russian beer.
http://rt.com/business/189328-russia-pabst-beer-purchase/

-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand 

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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:21:14 -0700
From: Chip Wood <chip.a.wood at gmail.com>
To: stagecraft at theatrical.net
Subject: Re: [SML] Beer
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Way back in HS, Pabst was our last choice, just above water, but w/ a 
more vile taste.  Didn't even know it was still in business.

Chip

On 9/20/2014 9:00 AM, Jerry Durand via Stagecraft wrote:
>
> Pabst is now a Russian beer.
> http://rt.com/business/189328-russia-pabst-beer-purchase/

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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:23:12 -0700
From: Jon Ares <jonares at arescreative.com>
To: Jerry Durand <jdurand at interstellar.com>,	Stagecraft Mailing List
	<stagecraft at theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: [SML] Beer
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On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Jerry Durand via Stagecraft <
stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:

> Pabst is now a Russian beer.
> http://rt.com/business/189328-russia-pabst-beer-purchase/

They're welcome to it, as far as I'm concerned.  :)

-- 
Jon Ares
www.arescreative.com
Follow my twits @jon_ares
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