[SML] Dimming Cooling

Dorian Kelly illuminati500 at gmail.com
Thu Sep 3 20:43:11 UTC 2015


It doesn't make much sense to me to share mcb between 2 fixtures.if you lose one you have lost both. So the copper price is identical, although theoretically you can downsize it, but that is not s good idea either. Then you have to add the price of the signal cable and outlets  which in a permanent install also has to go in trunking or conduit. So as far as I can tell there isn't saving, except on the actual dimmers and the Hvac. On the assumption that the theatre is fitted with this anyway, the extra cost of plumbing in a dimmer room is small. But for fire reasons you might need smoke extract in the cutouts room . 


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> On 3 Sep 2015, at 21:22, SAMUEL JONES via Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
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> ETC's ColorSource Spot, nice fixture, but…
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> Prices off the web not well researched or put to bid
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> 300        ColorSpots             $448,500.00
> 1        150 Circuit Breaker panel     $5,000.00 (I have no idea how close this is to real)
> 1        ETC Portable Sensor 24     $5,795.00 (Sorry, but you’re going to need some dimming for a long, long time)
>                Total            $459,295.00
> 
> 300        Source 4s                $89,700.00
> 3        Sensor 96                $71,985.00
>                Total            $161,685.00
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> This doesn’t compare the cost of installs, but may not be a factor for anything but new installs.  The cost of copper and the labor to run it is difficult to compare.  How many circuits do you really need?  How much distribution do you really need.
> This doesn’t compare the cost of the creation of the dimmer room and HVAC to it, but not an issue for not new venues.
> This doesn’t compare the cost of power consumption, but that is rarely the same budget.
> This doesn’t consider the HVAC savings of lower heat generation, but I don’t know how that compares to the needs of audience HVAC that does not go away.
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> It seems to me that LEDs are probably here to stay, but it is going to be a long, long time before the dimmer room goes away.
> Also, It will be only a slightly shorter time for people to have an accurate handle on the comparison.
>    (Although I’m sure many many are working on it as you read this)
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> It seems likely that the ColorSpots will start replacing front and side washes one system at a time in current venues.  Perhaps, what will take it on the chin will be SeaChangers and other dichroic systems.  Above my pay grade.  I’m sure the theater consultants out there could flesh this out.  
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> Samuel Jones
> sjones at autoplotvw.com
> 310-993-4172
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>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Stephen Litterst via Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
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>> Pretty much every major manufacturer has an LED profile fixture that is functionally identical to an ellipsoidal reflector spotlight. Don't take my word for it, watch ETC's ColorSource Spot in action.
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>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0JzgjCdSgc
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>> LED technology is here to stay.  Young technicians and designers should get used to it now, because LEDs will be the dominant technology during their careers.  I just think it's not going to happen during my career.
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