[SML] Regulatory

Thu Feb 18 19:59:14 UTC 2021

Just to be clear, UL, NFPA, ICC, ESTA, etc. employees do not write the
standards. Volunteers from without the organization write them. There is
ample opportunity for public input.  ANSI standards, such as those written
by NFPA and ESTA, follow a detailed series of rules and procedures to
assure the public interest is represented. Then, when finally published,
they only become enforceable law after voted so by legislators.

Unlike those above, OSHA and other federal standards are written by civil
servants and do not have the same safeguards of checks and balances and
become law automatically.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 11:41 AM Ford Sellers via Stagecraft <
stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:

> Hi Scott,
>
> I think David and Bill C. state it pretty clearly(ish…) or as clearly as
> you can for something so Muddy.
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> Basically, the people that make the rules aren’t the people that enforce
> them.
>
> Your local AHJ is the potential enforcer. This may be a fire marshal, or
> even OSHA.
>
> They would be the ones that do an actual inspection at the Jobsite of an
> installation.  They will reference a veritable bevvy of different
> rules/standards/codes from various rule makers.  Including NEC, NPFA, OSHA
> adopted standards, various building codes, etc.
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> For *Products,* having the unit (or fixture) tested to the appropriate
> national standard by an NTRL (Nationally Recognized Testing Lab) should be
> enough to pass muster with your AHJ (in most situations), although the
> installation of said product may still need to meet other standards (like
> NEC).
>
> In terms of Standards… UL sits in a somewhat unique situation in the USA,
> wherein they publish the standards, and are a testing lab that can certify
> that a product meets those standards.  In the 1970s (I think) they were
> sued by METlabs for having a monopoly on this, and lost.  So, other testing
> labs who became certified as NRTLs (like METlabs, and Intertek) were
> allowed the “Right to Mark” a product as passing the UL standard.
>
>
>
> As an Example:
>
> In the USA, an LED lighting fixture would require certifications to UL
> standards for Electrical safety, FCC for radio emissions (now required for
> all LED light sources, regardless of whether they have radio-remote
> control).
>
> You may also see CSA (Canadian), CE (European), CB (Japanese), RoHS (to do
> with recycling and use of non-toxic materials in manufacture), RED (like
> European FCC), and TUV (European structural standards) certifications… But
> those are not acceptable in lieu of proper UL and FCC certification in the
> US, although seeing them may give you some assurances that the product is
> built to high standards.
>
>
>
> My understanding is that TUV is in a similar situation in Europe to UL in
> the US, in that they write many of the structural standards, and also are
> the main certifying body for products tested to those standards.  This is
> why you may see TUV ratings on things like Truss, and Clamps… But because
> TUV is also just a testing lab, you may see a TUV mark on a piece of
> electronics, as well.
>
>
>
> Basically, in the US look for a UL, MET, or ETL logo on an
> electronic/electrical product.  That will give you some level of confidence
> that it is at least electrically safe to use… but, depending on the
> standard it was tested to, *it may not be approved for use in your
> application*… that will be up to your AHJ to decide.
>
>
>
> This is a lot of Alphabet Soup.
>
>
>
> Even trying to explain this makes my head hurt… I’m going to practice my
> skills with developing a beverage using the Standard that David’s father
> helped author.
>
>
>
> -Ford
>
>
>
> *From:* Stagecraft <stagecraft-bounces at theatrical.net> * On Behalf Of *David
> Fox via Stagecraft
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2021 1:06 PM
> *To:* stagecraft at theatrical.net
> *Cc:* David Fox <David.Fox at etcconnect.com>
> *Subject:* [SML] Regulatory
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> [uncloaking]
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> This is always an odd question as regulatory takes on so many different
> meanings.  From looking at your description I believe you are essentially
> looking for governing bodies that create rules and regulations that impact
> our work and the spaces we work in. Here are some to add to your list below
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>
> UL-
>
> Underwriters Laboratories uses a series of codes and designations that
> determine if a product or item meets the rules within National Electrical
> code. These can include voltages, emergency requirements, maximum voltages,
> emitted frequencies, etc. Inspectors may not know the NEC code a product
> needs to meet, but they do know the UL code (Example NEC 700.24 and UL 924).
>
>
>
> ASHRAE-
>
> The American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning
> Engineers is a body that works with multiple groups and develops the
> regulations and standards that go into national building code, DOE energy
> requirements, Heating and cooling regulations. Examples you will see in
> venues include building safety requirements. Heating and cooling cycles and
> temperature control location rules, occupancy and daylight sensors and
> controls, switched outlets and building lighting control schedules. If you
> have ever wondered Why the hell did it get built like that? Or Who decided
> that the light switches needed to be placed…. It was probably due to an
> ASHRAE rule.
>
>
>
> ESTA - ESTA has working groups that develop and maintain industry
> standards or work with other larger groups to make sure that our industries
>  needs are considered when changes are made to national standards and
> codes. Recent examples have included changes and exceptions to
> portable/temporary power installations and allowances for corded emergency
> lighting. Many of their independent standards are submitted to…..
>
>
>
> ANSI- American National Standards Institute. This is a group that collects
> and maintains a library of documents that while not law, are considered the
> standard for how something should be done or works. In our industry ESTA
> and USITT have contributed many. Probably the best known of these  is ANSI
> E1.11 Entertainment Technology—USITT DMX512-Asynchronous Serial Digital
> Data Transmission Standard for Controlling Lighting Equipment and
> Accessories.
> https://tsp.esta.org/tsp/documents/docs/ANSI-ESTA_E1-11_2008R2018.pdf
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tsp.esta.org/tsp/documents/docs/ANSI-ESTA_E1-11_2008R2018.pdf__;!!J_x18tFw!dUqetPYYpdz4F-ukmRGw13HsBoe8tDErZFea2w3wVLoHbV4HnVqA3BWzSAN9Vql_xMjl4g$>.
> Again, not a low or a rule, but when something doesn’t comply to the
> standard it makes it really easy to know why it isn’t working ( i.e. 60
> devices on a single DMX line).
>
>
>
> Fun fact- in 1966, my father was working for the IRS and he and a group of
> his buddies wrote this….
> https://www.scribd.com/doc/30749978/American-Standard-Safety-Code-and-Requirements-for-Dry-Martinis
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.scribd.com/doc/30749978/American-Standard-Safety-Code-and-Requirements-for-Dry-Martinis__;!!J_x18tFw!dUqetPYYpdz4F-ukmRGw13HsBoe8tDErZFea2w3wVLoHbV4HnVqA3BWzSAN9VqnakQBLZw$>
>
>
>
> Hope this helps
>
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> Be Seeing You
>
> David
>
> __________________________
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> >Hi All,
> >I'm working on a spreadsheet resource and I have a column that could use
> >input. What agencies that actually regulate rules for our industry?
>
> >OSHA
> >ATF
> >Local Fire Marshals and by extension NFPA & NEC?
> >FCC
>
> >Would ANSI be a regulatory agency? They create standards but I don't
> think they regulate them. Same would go for NFPA/NEC I suppose.
> >So many of our industry associations also create standards & guidelines
> but are not regulatory in nature.
>
> >Who else would be a regulatory agency for our industry?
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