[SML] box booms

[Bill Conner]

I should add not all the architects.  Schools choose to enter an agreement
with a CM (construction manager) with a GMP (guaranteed maximum price)
because of bad experiences (way over budget) using the design, bid, build
approach. There is tremendous incentive on the part of the CM to minimize
costs once this agreement is in place.  I can only imagine that the
individuals are highly incentivised to reduce actual costs, since any
reductions are mostly additional profits to the CM.

Not in my opinion a good system but designers - I'll include consultants in
that group - too many times were optimistic in their estimating.  So a
school, with a finite amount of money based on a bond issue voted on by the
public, needs to know they won't spend more and GMPs do that - the
guarantee.

Not sorry I'm mostly out of it.


On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:57 PM Bill Conner <billconnerastc at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yeah.  I can see 21 ft booms not anchored.. That's my last goto.
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:15 PM Steven Haworth via Stagecraft <
> stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>
>> I agree - don't give up Bill!
>> Those box boom positions are crucial to so many decent designs, IMO.
>>
>> Perhaps you could attempt an argument that if you don't build them - and
>> properly - then some student production down the road is going to try jerry
>> rigging something which would be unsafe to rig, and unsafe for the audience?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 12:39 PM Ford Sellers via Stagecraft <
>> stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Don’t give up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Stagecraft <stagecraft-bounces at theatrical.net> *On Behalf Of *Bill
>>> Conner via Stagecraft
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2024 10:12 AM
>>> *To:* Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
>>> *Cc:* Bill Conner <billconnerastc at gmail.com>
>>> *Subject:* [SML] box booms
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm working with an architect who is resisting having a lighting
>>> position on the cheek walls of a new 700 seat theatre with 15' of
>>> forestage. I showed horizontal rails, vertical rails, and coves with and
>>> without access behind. He showed on picture of a HS theate without.  And
>>> the school does pride themselves on the their performing arts program.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First, a lesson. Once you retire, don't un-retire no matter what, even
>>> for just one gig.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, group, should I keep insisting on a box boom lighting position or
>>> give up?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a rail on the rear wall also, a "balcony rail" position, which
>>> I'm guessing will get attacked also.  I just keep remembering Tom Skelton
>>> saying repeatedly "rail is best".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
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