[SML] box booms

[Bill Conner]

I went for cheapest to avoid the cost argument. I usually have riggers do
these - I'll know I'll get 1 1/2" schedule 40, and they'll be strong.

Yes, recessed coves are good but cost a lot more.

I could go for unistrut - the kind that's recessed.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024, 7:36 PM Stuart Wheaton via Stagecraft <
stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:

> If the goal is a smooth sidewall for acoustical & easthetic purposes for
> music events or speakers, could the box booms have a door over them that
> swings out to reveal the box booms only during theatre shows?
>
> Stuart Wheaton
>
>
> On 2/19/2024 3:07 PM, Bill Conner via Stagecraft wrote:
>
> I should add not all the architects.  Schools choose to enter an agreement
> with a CM (construction manager) with a GMP (guaranteed maximum price)
> because of bad experiences (way over budget) using the design, bid, build
> approach. There is tremendous incentive on the part of the CM to minimize
> costs once this agreement is in place.  I can only imagine that the
> individuals are highly incentivised to reduce actual costs, since any
> reductions are mostly additional profits to the CM.
>
> Not in my opinion a good system but designers - I'll include
> consultants in that group - too many times were optimistic in their
> estimating.  So a school, with a finite amount of money based on a bond
> issue voted on by the public, needs to know they won't spend more and GMPs
> do that - the guarantee.
>
> Not sorry I'm mostly out of it.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:57 PM Bill Conner <billconnerastc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah.  I can see 21 ft booms not anchored.. That's my last goto.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:15 PM Steven Haworth via Stagecraft <
>> stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree - don't give up Bill!
>>> Those box boom positions are crucial to so many decent designs, IMO.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you could attempt an argument that if you don't build them - and
>>> properly - then some student production down the road is going to try jerry
>>> rigging something which would be unsafe to rig, and unsafe for the audience?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 12:39 PM Ford Sellers via Stagecraft <
>>> stagecraft at theatrical.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don’t give up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Stagecraft <stagecraft-bounces at theatrical.net> *On Behalf Of *Bill
>>>> Conner via Stagecraft
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2024 10:12 AM
>>>> *To:* Stagecraft <stagecraft at theatrical.net>
>>>> *Cc:* Bill Conner <billconnerastc at gmail.com>
>>>> *Subject:* [SML] box booms
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm working with an architect who is resisting having a lighting
>>>> position on the cheek walls of a new 700 seat theatre with 15' of
>>>> forestage. I showed horizontal rails, vertical rails, and coves with and
>>>> without access behind. He showed on picture of a HS theate without.  And
>>>> the school does pride themselves on the their performing arts program.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> First, a lesson. Once you retire, don't un-retire no matter what, even
>>>> for just one gig.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, group, should I keep insisting on a box boom lighting position or
>>>> give up?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a rail on the rear wall also, a "balcony rail" position, which
>>>> I'm guessing will get attacked also.  I just keep remembering Tom Skelton
>>>> saying repeatedly "rail is best".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
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